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    I Don’t Care If The Doctor Who Was Dragged Off A United Flight For Refusing To Give Up His Seat Has A Shady Past Because He’s A Goddamn American Hero

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    Everyone and their mother is talking about the incident on a United airline flight in which a passenger was dragged off the plane by police after refusing to be “re-accommodated” when United overbooked the flight. Here’s how it went down:

    • United overbooked a flight from Chicago O’Hare Airport to Louisville.
    • It wasn’t initially overbooked, but at the last minute United had to get four employees to Louisville, so they asked 4 passengers to give up their seats for $400. When no one took them up on the offer they raised it to $800, but still no one bit.
    • It is not known how they chose who would be asked to leave the plane, but they picked 4 people, three of which begrudgingly complied.
    • The one guy who refused to be bumped from the plane screamed at a security officer who wrestled him out of his seat and dragged him down the aisle by his arms while his belly was exposed for the world to enjoy. He claimed to be a doctor who had patients to see in Louisville.
    • Charlie Hobart, a United spokesman, said in a telephone interview on Monday that “we had asked several times, politely. We had a customer who refused to leave the aircraft. We have a number of customers on board that aircraft, and they want to get to their destination on time and safely, and we want to work to get them there. Since that customer refused to leave the aircraft, we had to call” the police, and they came on board.”

    • The four United employees who ended up taking the seats were berated by customers and told they should be ashamed.
    • In a bizarre turn of events the guy who was dragged off suddenly reappeared, began running down the aisle yelling, “I have to home,” was bleeding from his face, and ended up collapsing in a seat before being taken off the plane in a stretcher.
    • The cops involved have been placed on leave.
    • In one of the biggest bullshit non-apologies ever, United CEO Oscar Munoz apologized for having to “re-accommodate” the passenger: “Our team is moving with a sense of urgency to work with the authorities and conduct our own detailed review of what happened. We are also reaching out to this passenger to talk directly to him and further address and resolve this situation.”

    Watch the videos:

    This lady is all of America:

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    This dude got dragged around the plane like a Main South hooker before being thrown in Crystal Park pond.

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    Normally when something like this goes viral, especially against an airline, we usually end up siding with the airline. Nothing worse than an asshole who makes a scene on a plane. Plus, a week or two ago everyone was going after United because some twitter SJW activist said that they weren’t letting girls on a plane with leggings, but forgot to point out that they were using tickets for employees and that required a specific dress code.

    But in this case there’s just no way to side with the airline. Everyone’s talking about it, but only a few brave souls have attempted to defend United. They sounded extremely dumb.

    First of all, this guy is a Goddamn American hero. It’s about time someone took a stand against this bullshit. He was passive and non-violent. Had he not done what he did the public would never know that this is a thing airlines do.

    Secondly, it’s complete bullshit that United is saying they “asked” him to leave. When you ask someone a yes or no question, no is an acceptable answer. If you only accept yes, then it’s not really a question. It’s a demand.

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    Thirdly, a lot of people are shitting on the cops for this. It’s not their fault. They were doing the job they were trained to do.

    Fourthly, the practice of overbooking flights is bullshit to begin with and should be outlawed. You’re a billion dollar company and your executives are making cash money. You can afford to have a seat go unfilled from time to time.

    But the problem is that airlines have you by the balls. When you buy a ticket you are signing away basically all your rights. A bitchy flight attendant can get you sent to jail if she doesn’t like the way you talked back to her. What are you gonna do? Drive? They can do whatever they want and you’ll just have to sit there and like it. No one is forcing you to fly.

    My question is, where the hell is this lady when you need her?

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    Hey Granny Warren, I thought you were going to protect consumers? Wasn’t that your big thing? Consumer protection from “big oil” and “big banks.” What about consumer protection from “big airlines?” Doesn’t get much bigger than United. I don’t give a shit about student loans or big oil. Neither affects me. Not my problem. But flying on planes is something most of us will have to do at some point. This affects everyone. Maybe you should do something about this instead of whining about equal pay (oops you actually pay your female staffers less than males) or bragging about how you’re “resisting” Trump (despite the fact that all of his cabinet nominees went through and his SCOTUS appointee as well).

    With that said, this is the biggest PR disaster we’ve ever seen. For starters, they made paying customers give up seats to their employees because THEY fucked up. Imagine any other business doing this to a paying customer. Hungry guy goes to get a sandwich. Buys it. About to take bite. Manager tells him he needs it back because one of his employees is hungry. Guy says no. Manager hires cops to kick his ass. Owner takes to social media to defend owner while passively blaming paying and now injured and still hungry customer.

    All of this could’ve been avoided so easily. I’m happy that United will lose millions and millions of dollars for this, because they’re such a cheap and shitty airline to begin with. But instead of losing millions they could’ve just upped the ante. Every person on that plane had their price. If $800 wasn’t enough then try $1,500, or $2,000. Eventually someone would bite. Hell, let’s say it cost them $5,000 to bribe these chiselers to switch flights. That’s a $20,000 hit, as opposed to losing millions. The fact that they couldn’t see this coming is hilarious. So is the reaction from the Twittersphere:

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    Or here’s an idea – buy your employees a ticket on another airline. You’re in O’Hare Airport. It’s basically a state. You can find a small jet to send them on a plane to Louisville. And if you can’t, well, that’s your problem, not the customer’s. Once again, you’d have to suck up your pride to give a competitor money to fly your employees, but at the end of the day it’s more cost effective than dragging a doctor off a plane.

    The worst part is that they made paying customers give up their seats to employees. Did they not realize how bad that would look? The guy is a doctor. He had patients to see in Louisville. The United employees also had to get to work, but they did not purchase a ticket ahead of time. By doing what they did the airline was basically saying that the work their employees needed to get to was much more important than the doctor who was flying to Louisville to treat patients.

    And seriously, they couldn’t find someone else to do this to? The guy was there with his wife. Who splits up a married couple like that? They could’ve found some unemployed ratchet to kick off. But instead they picked the doctor. It’s like they were trying to bone themselves. Part of me wishes he wasn’t a doctor. I was so hoping it was an instinctive lie he came up with in the clutch. I would’ve respected the shit out of him for it. But alas he is a real doctor named David Dao. And he has children who are doctors, and five grandchildren who will probably become doctors.

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    They literally picked the worst guy to kick off the plane.

    P.S. It’s since been revealed that Dr. Dao was convicted of arranging to  give an employee prescription drugs in exchange for sexual acts in 2003. Cool story bro. Doesn’t change a thing. He was given due process and served his punishment. He had his license to practice medicine in Kentucky where he was flying to with the ticket he purchased. They asked him to get off the plane, he said no, and they kicked his ass. End of story. Nothing about his past matters.

     

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    1. The Executioner


      And United/US Air thought they had financial problems before! They’re done. If I was a shareholder I would demand that CEO’s resignation or just plain fire his ass.

      1. Strata


        LOL, yeah United Airlines is going to go out of business because of this…. definitely a black eye that will be forgotten by next week and as long as they have the routes & competitive rates, … people will fly them ……..yawn, this will be over in no time

        UA is stupid and should have simply continued to up the prize from $800, hotel room, & next day flight …..

        …… even if they had to give $2,500, hotel room, and say 1st class travel the next day ….. people would have eventually agreed and volunteered. And no bad press or lawyer fees would be forthcoming

      2. Jack Mehoff


        United and Continental merged. USAIR merged with American. United ruined what had been a great airline, Continental. I quite flying them. USAIR has ruined American. They use the American name but their drunken CEO promotes incompetence and farms out all critical maintenance to foreign firms. I will never fly United or American again. Few veteran business travelers do unless they are forced to or are just so beholden to the frequent flyer programs they can’t get out. Delta and Alaska are the only decent airlines left to fly unless you want cattle car experience Soutwest.

        The United gate agents are the worst in the industry. None smile, many are rude. I saw one berate an international passenger in Dulles a couple years back because she missed her connecting flight due to late arrival. They refused to get a German speaker for her. She was trying to get to Cleveland for her mothers funeral. I spoke enough German to help her out and sought out a supervisor who reluctantly rebooked her. That was the last United flight I ever took or ever will. Rudeness is endemic throughout the airline.

        1. FatFingr Lou


          Jack,

          I fly for business 10-15 times a year.

          I flew once on United from Chicago to Boston, and another time to Denver. That’s it, and God help me I’ll never do it willingly again. Flight Attendants are miserable and snarky, which just antagonizes the passengers. The percentage of D-bag frequent flyer/rewards pompous asses on this airline is astounding. It is not surprising that there are fistfights at 30,000.

          I’d take Jet Blue or Southwest anytime over United, and the major foreign carriers to Europe or Asia exclusively over American, United or Delta.

        2. Jeannie Bailey


          I fly 3 weeks a month and spend approximately 290 days a year in hotels. I consider myself an informed traveler and you couldn’t have said that statement any better. I gave up my status with USAirways years ago because of their partner United. I couldn’t take it any longer.

    2. Talisman


      According to what I read yesterday, after no one took the options, they allegedly said a computer randomly selected people to get booted. The fact that they did this to paying customers, regardless of whether they went willingly after they drew the short straws, just goes to show you how little an airline cares about shitting on those that have the “privilege” of flying in America today. I guess these 4 employees that took the seats were indispensable to whatever flight(s) they were trying to get them to.

    3. mike


      they no authority to use force against that man, none whatsoever. that police officer should be arrested for assault+battery and kidnapping.

      1. Talisman


        I’m sure the airline didn’t tell the cop why the passenger was being “unruly”, but it probably wouldn’t matter anyway. The cops do what they’re told and will be fired if the refuse to do so. As long as the airlines are allowed to fuck over whoever they want, whenever they want, it will continue. I thought they were trying to pass a Bill Of Rights for passengers, but I never heard if it actually passed.

        I’ve watched several airline employees, both in and out of uniform, using their cell phones during the times that the rest of have to turn them off because it’s a “safety issue”. Everybody knows that policy is a joke, and yet they still continue with it and will remove you from a flight for non compliance. I know for a fact there was a stewardess on a Delta flight that was in cell mode and texting during the flight.

      2. Strata


        Mike, they should have simply cancelled the flight if nobody would get off after being randomly chosen …….. of course the narrative then would have changed from that poor man that got ripped out, to that stupid jerk would’nt leave when his name was called and the rest of us 225 passengers now got our flight cancelled

        1. mike


          yup, that would have been a good solution

        2. mike


          pretty much anything would have been better than what happened. i mean it just went from bad to worse.

    4. mike


      “Thirdly, a lot of people are shitting on the cops for this. It’s not their fault. They were doing the job they were trained to do. ”
      This is were i disagree. Stop being a police apologist. He did not comply so they did violence to him. Is that what police are trained to do?
      What is it that gives the police the authority to put their hands on someone and/or detain them?
      How did this man justify those actions? Was he tresspassing? was he a danger to others? was he breaking the law? see what i mean?
      BTW, yes the police have already tried to lie about it. They said things like “he fell” and “he attempted to strike the officer”. Im not kidding, thats how brazen they were. Dozens of witnesses, multiple videos, pictures, … and they still tried to lie.

      1. Talisman


        There are more than several court cases that have decided what PC constitutes when the cops can put their hands on you. The Supreme Court has sided with LE many times, so feel free to look them up and educate yourself. Because of 9/11, and even before to some extent, the airlines are given even more latitude in determining that someone is “dangerous” to the safety of passengers and crew. It doesn’t take much to trigger a response. Therefore, at the slightest hint that you’re going to be a “no” person, you can expect contact. And if you continue to say no, like this guy did, the law(s) say they can and will put their training to use. Haven’t you flown in the last 15+ years? As far as the airline is concerned, if you don’t do exactly what they tell you to do, then yes, you are breaking the law by being a perceived threat risk to the flight, hindering a flight crew, etc.

        An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both. However, if a dangerous weapon is used in assaulting or intimidating the member or attendant, the individual shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

        So you can blame the cops all you want, but ultimately the fault lies with politicians, judges and the airlines because the cops don’t make the laws. These scenes have played out on flights quite often and, if the cops were wrong as far as the law was concerned, they wouldn’t keep doing it over and over. You might as well leave any constitutional rights you think you have at home when you go to an airport thanks to “security”.

        1. mike


          Talisman, so how do you justify the use of force against this individual?

          1. Talisman


            Not justifying anything, I’m telling you that the l law allows them to use whatever force they want to use to remove you from a plane if the pilot our crew doesn’t like the way you look, dress or act. Until they change the law, you can expect to see people snatched off planes however they see fit for any reason they deem necessary.

            1. Talisman


              or crew

            2. mike


              i understand that you a police lover, but there are numerous videos showing the police doing something bad.
              [email protected] they already circling the wagons!

            3. mike


              So your saying the violence is justified because … sept 11?
              You cant seriously be that retarded.

            4. Talisman


              Again, if you can actually pull your head out of your ass and comprehend the words I’m writing, I’M NOT SAYING THEY ARE JUSTIFIED, I’M TELLING YOU THAT THE LAW SAYS THEY CAN DO IT. If you don’t like it, don’t fly.

            5. Talisman


              Despite what you want to believe, 9/11 caused the formation of DHS and special considerations when dealing with airline passengers. So, again, I’m not justifying anyfuckingthing. I’m starting the reality that anyone involved with airport security can, will, and does resort to any means they think necessary for compliance as soon as you step into an airport. You don’t seem to think that’s the case, so you must seriously be that retarded. Very few, if any, will be subject to any violations that YOU think they committed in all of your infinite wisdom of the laws they are employed to enforce, by force.

            6. mike


              but you are trying to justify it, if it was ok why are the police and airline lying about it?

        2. mike


          And why did the police lie about it?

          1. Talisman


            You’ll have to ask the police that

            1. mike


              im asking you, because you keep trying to defend them.

        3. mike


          why wasn’t the passenger arrested?

          1. Talisman


            I can only assume that the airline had the discretion to file charges, or not. But again, ask the cops. There have been plenty of people escorted off of flights for various reasons that weren’t arrested either. But, if they file charges, then the “shall be” would kick in and fines and/or prison could be in their future.

            1. mike


              see how stupid you sound?

            2. Talisman


              Fuck off and die troll. I’ve told you time and again why they did this to the guy, and you still don’t get it. I’m not condoning it, justifying it, endorsing it. ARE WE FUCKING CLEAR?

              Now, for the last fucking time, maybe you can read it this way…

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              SAYS
              THEY
              CAN
              KICK
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              THEY
              WANT
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              FOR
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              NOW, GO BACK TO PICKING YOUR MOMMIES ASS HAIR OUT OF YOUR TEETH

          2. Talisman


            If they get convicted of the charges, that is

            1. mike


              see what i mean?
              these are all very straightforward questions, you cant answer any of them. Nobody can. That behavior was unjustifiable.

            2. Talisman


              Yeah, but apparently you’re too fucking stupid to see what I mean. Again, the airline can make you get off the plane for any reason they want…ANY REASON, YA GOT IT? And the cops that work the airport can do it using any force they see fit, GOT THAT? So, instead of coming here and asking rhetorical questions and then saying “see, nobody can answer them” maybe you should wake up and realize, the airport cops don’t have to answer to you. They answer to the politicians that wrote the laws for airline security and the judges that say it’s constitutional for them do to whatever they want to you when you step into an airport.

              Is that not clear enough? Or do you what to keep going?

            3. mike


              more stupidity

          3. Shookones


            Have you ever been booted out of a bar and not arrested….

            1. mike


              you mean if i was shitfaced and disruptive?
              another straw man argument

            2. gfldgadfly


              This is an excellent analogy; bar staff have the responsibility for the safety of their patrons as do airlines. And they are legally able to use more force than say, walmart going after a shoplifter.
              It’s really fucked up that this situation was even allowed to get to the point of “get off NOW “. The fault lies with the greedy airline. Dr Dao isn’t a hero, he isn’t a villain… He’s an Everyman. That’s why we can identify with him.

      2. Floppy McFlopperson


        This is on the airline on how they handled this, but legally they own the plane and can do this. I think they are extremly stupid for having this happen, and should have done anything else beside this, since now their a PR disaster and will have a massive law suit pending. The video was also edited to only show the cop grabbing him. Not the ten minutes of the cops telling him the airline wants him off the plane. The video is bad because the guy is screaming, he’s older, and he’s being extreamly dramatic, because he know there are people around him videoing it. He’s a doctor, he’s not stupid. I would LOVE for this to happen to me, early retirement. But at some point, the cops have to put hands on get someone to comply. Once they do, they own him at that point. I’ve yet to see someone not comply with a cops order and the police be like “well, he doesn’t want to go, or get arrested, so I guess we will just leave him be”. Violence is ugly, and if someone tried to get any adult into handcuffs, escort them out, get them in a car and they flat out didn’t want to go, fighting like their life depends on it, It’s going to be ugly, lots of screaming, and flailing there’s probably going to be blood and it’s going to look AWFUL on camera. This guy did the perfect flop, and garnered huge support for himself. And the cops could have also done things differently or better, just as with most any high profile case. The airline was so soooo stupid for this, and this is a huge disaster on how they handle it and their procedures for this, but I don’t blame the cop, they were probably just told to remove this guy, and that’s it. The airline legally has the right to do that, even as fucked up as this was. I blame the airline.

        1. mike


          So your argument is “…since they own thew plane, they can assault people. ”
          Are you for real?

          1. Talisman


            The law is real, moron. If you refuse to do what they say, you are a threat. You will therefore be subject to anything they want to deal in your direction. I doubt you’ll understand it, but here it is, again:

            Interference With Flight Crew Members Or Flight Attendants — 49 U.S.C. 46504

            One who assaults, threatens, or intimidates a flight crew member or attendant while aboard an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, and thereby interferes with the performance of that crew member’s duties or lessens the ability of that crew member to perform his/her duties is punishable under this subsection. See United States v. Meeker, 527 F.2d 12 (9th Cir. 1975). A violation of 49 U.S.C. § 46504 is a general intent crime; it does not require any specific intent to intimidate or to interfere with the flight crew member or attendant. See United States v. Grossman, 131 F.3d 1449, 1451-52 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. Compton, 5 F.3d 358, 360 (9th Cir. 1993); United States v. Hicks, 980 F.2d 963 (5th Cir. 1992), cert. denied, 507 U.S. 941, 507 U.S. 998 (1993); United States v. Meeker, supra, 527 F.2d at 14. While attempted aircraft piracy and interference with flight crew can both be charged in the same indictment, if convicted on both charges, the defendant should be sentenced only under the attempted aircraft piracy conviction because, absent highly unusual circumstances, the interference with flight crew charge is the lesser included offense. See United States v. Compton, supra, 5 F.3d at 360; see also United States v. Calloway, 116 F.3d 1129 (6th Cir.), cert. denied, 118 S.Ct. 324 (1997); United States v. Figueroa, 666 F.2d 1375, 1380 (11th Cir. 1982).

            Venue for interference with flight crew members or attendants is discussed in this Manual at 1406.

            [updated August 1999] [cited in USAM 9-63.100; USAM 9-63.110]

            1. mike


              “Interference With Flight Crew”
              ok, so thats what you’re going with?

            2. mike


              looks like you’ve mastered copy and paste, good for you!

          2. Floppy McFlopperson


            Dude, seriously? kind of yeah. Just like getting kicked out of a club and being a paying customer. If you don’t leave, security or police are going to force you too. Only it’s worse because the airport has stricter standards. Learn the subject before speaking, and sounding dumb. You are clearly think that the laws only apply to what outrages you. Doesn’t work that was. Assault is SPOKEN, not physical, that’s called battery. Google…just looked it up, works wonders, just like looking up the airline procedures for removing paying customers. Secondly, as I see this has been explained to you over and over, the PO-LIce can use force to make you to comply the only way that dude was moving for that bullshit the airline pulled was by force. Wether you like it or not, I sure don’t, they are legally able to do this and have procedures and laws in place that allow them to remove anyone they want. I can’t tell after reading these if you just don’t want to believe this and ignorant, or if your trolling for kicks.

            1. mike


              Floppy McFlopperson, your def of assault is correct, however people often just say assault, and thats what i did here. It does not make my argument moot.
              second, stop with the straw man arguments. trying to compare this with some drunk guy in a bar or a club, its just not the same and you know it.

              BTW, did you learn that assault was words and battery is touching in emt school?
              just curious

        2. mike


          its not like someone held a gun to the cops head and said “assault and kidnap an elderly passenger!”
          he owns that decision

          1. Floppy McFlopperson


            Mike, You realize that Everything the police do, and rules the airlines enforce are controlled by law, not uninformed public opinion from people who weren’t even there, such as yourself. So you can say “the cops need to be charged for kiddnaping”, but they can’t be, so find a more intelligent argument that can be sustained. If your too ignorant to read, research or comprehend anything, but think your outrage can determine the best course of action, it doesn’t. Your opinion on what you think is right or not, doesn’t matter. It’s IF what they did was legal or not, and it is. Run for congress, or DHS and change the laws. Because I don’t think cops should be able to snatch people off the plane either for something as stupid as this. And before you start with “well why did he lie” or the popular “straw man” , really insightful comment, why didn’t the airline apologize the first time? Or why didn’t we see the rest of what happened on the video clip? Its because it was cropped to garner a reaction. It’s BecAuse they knew they were LEAGALLY covered on the criminal side of things. They backpedal when the a 10 second clip caused a shit sandwich from a probably hour ordeal. Just like any cop shooting. No evidence, no facts, no training or experience, just outrage, wanting someone to pay. The law and policy on this shit needs to change.

            1. mike


              stop trying to defend the actions of that individual… because you cant. Nobody can.
              Again, if his actions were lawful, why was he placed on leave? Why did the police and the airline lie?
              These are not ‘trick questions’, they very simple questions.

              ” BecAuse they knew they were LEAGALLY covered on the criminal side of things.”
              LOL, you can’t be serious!
              Its more accurate to say they knew they would not be held accountable for their actions.

          2. Floppy McFlopperson


            Your also too lazy/dumb to look up the legal definition of kiddnaping. Here’s a hint, that on the video ain’t it. next time you ever get brought anywhere against your will by the police, make sure you use the kiddnaping argument in court, Lemme know how it goes their legal genius.

            1. mike


              [email protected] threats!

            2. Floppy McFlopperson


              Neither were my trick questions that you never awnsered. Because you can’t, because you don’t know the answer, because you weren’t there. Just like you don’t know that anyone lied, because, you werent there. You just want to believe they are lying. They place every cop in ANY high profile case like this on leave, One because having that guy working with the public, after the incident on camera can cause problems for himself. And two, if there was something off camera that he did, that NONE of us saw, they can’t have someone who will be facing charges working with the public. But I can tell you that what was on the video is legal. Maybe your right, and they beat the brakes off of him off camera, I’m sure that would have come out already if it happened since everyone is digging at this, so I don’t think it’s true. I just anwsered both your questions, you haven’t anwsered mine. So don’t say “these are really simple questions no one can awnser”

      3. JesusH dumbdumb


        “What gives the police the authority to put hands on someone or detain them”

        That is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read. What freaking country do you live in. I guess police don’t have the authority to ever arrest or put hands on anyone. I tried that once, told the cop to fuck himself and he didn’t have the authority to arrest me, it didn’t pan out like I’d hoped it would.

        1. mike


          uh huh.
          So i guess you one of these people that think he should have complied, and he deserves what he got?
          who’s the dumb dumb?

          1. Talisman


            Read the law on interfering with a flight crew, dumb dumb. This isn’t greyhound. It doesn’t matter what the reason is, or if we think it was wrong. The law allows them to treat people like shit and get away with it. You should run for Congress and change it.

            If someone to refuses to submit to a search at a check point, and then proceeds to try the board the plane, I guess you don’t they they should comply either?

            1. mike


              what you did here is a straw man argument. You changed it to something you could argue against.

        2. mike


          “I tried that once, told the cop to fuck himself and he didn’t have the authority to arrest me, it didn’t pan out like I’d hoped it would.”

          And what were you arrested for? You were involved in criminal activity yes?

        3. mike


          What was the criminal activity that this man was involved in?
          (i already went through this with talisman, he didn’t do so good)

          1. JesusH dumbdumb


            It’s the same thing as an Uber driving kicking you out of their car…they own the car. What did the police lie about exactly? The stuff with his face bloody…you watched a edited clip that shows ten seconds of a 45 minute ordeal. You think there might be more than what’s shown? here then two ten second clips. I’m sure the cops where beating his face bloody in the middle of the airport… definitely. Or could it be he’s fighting like the third monkey trying to get on Noah’s Ark, to stay on the plane. He’s probably wasn’t arrested because the airline doesn’t wants to pursue charges, which they would be idiots for, just like they are idiots for doing this. Because there would be no prosecutable case for trespassing, or disorderly if they don’t want to testify on the rest of what happened, so there would be no case. You dont know what your talking about…at all Mike…it’s good to be outraged over airline with this bullshit because this is fucked up, but as soon as you say “what gives police the right to detain or put hands on someone” you lost your whole argument, because you have zero facts or know anything about what police can or can’t legally do, just outrage at the wrong entity.

            1. mike


              When the police say things like “he fell” or “he attempted to strike the officer” it means they cant justify their use of force.
              You do understand there were dozens of witnesses, 3 videos, and numerous pictures, the incident was well documented.

            2. mike


              JesusH dumbdumb, my friend you are the one that does not know what they are talking about. Just because you own something does not mean you can do violence to them. Sorry dude.

            3. mike


              JesusH dumbdumb
              BTW, your comment is just about the stupidest shit i have ever read! LOL

            4. mike


              JesusH dumbdumb, are you voting up your own posts? LOL

            5. Talisman


              Here’s the law, dipshit, read it, if you can understand all those big words, and realise that YOU don’t know what you’re talking about. Once they determine that you are going to be uncooperative in any manner, you’re breaking that law. If they say you’re getting off that plane, you’re leaving, whether you want to, or not. And if you don’t get up, they’re going to drag your ass off the plane. You think this episode is going to change this? I seriously doubt it. Will he get a payday, maybe. This is the reason millions of people avoid flying. So you think someone can show up to your house, refuse to leave, and then not expect to be removed, violently if necessary? You must live at the end of the rainbow.

              49 U.S. Code § 46504 – Interference with flight crew members and attendants

          2. stunting101


            I know it SO violent. Violent police, doing violent police things. Fuck this guy and his huge payday for his huge oscar dramatics. And fuck American Air for being fucking idiots.

          3. Talisman


            You come here flapping your cock smoochers and refuse to read what people are saying. The crime he committed, ACCORDING TO THE LAW, would be interfering with a flight crew. But you still refuse to believe the law exists when multiple people have tried to tell your stupid ass that they can take anyone off the plane for simply refusing to do anything they say. LOOK IT UP MORON. Is it right? No. Are any of us saying it is? No. But it’s a reality that YOU refuse to accept. I’d love to see you, the great keyboard commando, tell them “no” on a flight and see how many goons you can fight off when they show up to make you do whatever it is they want you to do.

            1. mike


              Why was the police officer suspended if he did nothing wrong?

            2. mike


              [email protected]
              you resort to the name calling and the capital letters with the exclamation points.
              LOL
              Thats how weak your argument is.

            3. mike


              Talisman,
              Are you a priest in your free time?
              You probably like to go camping with little boys eh?
              You a pedo huh?

              You see i can call you names too.

          4. Mike is a DUMBDUMB


            Just end it for yourself. Your too stupid to read or comprehend, I’m surprised you have lasted this long.

            1. mike


              really? is that the best you can do?

    5. Tanya Duval


      Imagine when he sues and the airline balks and it ends up in the Supreme Court. In this case he loses because the court now is controlled by corporate interests such as the new Supreme Court justice. This clown ruled in favor of the trucking company who fired the driver because he unhooked the trailer to drive to safety instead of dieing by freezing. This court has ruled that corporations are people for gosh sakes, and allows big money to buy elections.

      1. Strata


        Tanya, stupid post you partisan hack …… get our it, Trump won …. elections have consequences

        1. Tanya Duval


          Strata do you know me? Why call me names? Oh how I realize Trump won. And the rest of the country is paying for it. Imagine you even had 2 people give you a thumbs up. God bless you, my friend.

          1. Tanya Duval


            BTW- I use my name to post this. Why don’t you say yours? Maybe we could become friends or something.

            1. Strata


              Your a liar, that’s not your real name. Your such a phoney. Prove me wrong

      2. Talisman


        Another self-righteous liberal that uses her own name, allegedly, and that makes her smarter and more virtuous than everyone else.
        The last time I checked, a corporation is ran by people, just like a union. But you democrats don’t have any problems with unions stealing the members’ dues and using it for political purposes in the same manner, do you?

      3. mike


        won’t get anywhere near the surpreme court, or any court for that matter. The airline will settle…fast. The police union will also settle… not as fast. After the hubbub dies down, the police officer will be reinstated. They may do a phony-bologne investigation, they always find the same thing, “he did everything right!”. … and then they pay out!

    6. Brian Northboro


      It’s 300 miles from O’hare to St. Louis…a 6 hour drive…They should have upped the ante and offered a rental car…They were being el cheapo and got bagged.

    7. Maggie the Cat


      I happen to know a number of local Ph.Ds and M.D.s who are foreign-born but legal citizens of the U.S. They all think this was racism. America can’t afford to lose these people. Do you want to go to an ER only to find there’s no one to care for you, or do you want to discover that a course you need to graduate from college is not being offered because there’s no one to teach it? United Airlines really screwed up.

      1. Skynet


        Yeah… Those fucking racist random choosing computer programs… They were programed not to see color… But became racially self aware… IBM’s Watson just joined the Klan. We’re doomed.

    8. Mao


      Execute the capitalist traitor, wish the red guard was still active.

    9. Publius


      He might have been a hero but the sex offenses and other felonies matter. The suspended medical license matters. Karma?

      1. KayD


        They matter, sure, but they are completely irrelevant to this situation. Would we be saying “oh, she got what she deserved” if it was a 20-something trying to get home before her dad passed away? What about if some 38 year old dude was going to miss his own wedding, and that’s the tagline–but then it comes out that in his late teens he was a homeless junkie. Would that suddenly make United’s actions okay? If not, why not? What’s different?

        1. Talisman


          The law states they can do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want, for any reason they want, and call it interference. Nobody likes it. As far as I’m concerned, the airlines and DHS could all go away and I wouldn’t miss them. But that’s not reality. Until the citizens make a concerted effort to make it clear that the laws written for airlines in the name of “security”, and the way that the airlines, local PDs and DHS enforce them, will no longer be tolerated, it will continue. After that, only other choice is for everybody to stop flying and bankrupt them, but that won’t happen either.

          1. mike


            “The law states they can do what they want, when they want, to whomever they want, for any reason they want”
            thats interesting, then why all the lying?
            you see, the airline is going to have a hard time arguing that the paying passenger sitting in his assigned seat is “interfereing”

    10. Realist


      Big Banks and Big Oil don’t affect you? Please enlighten me….

    11. Wtf


      I hope he is able to successfully sue them and retire or then donate his time to patients. That is the most ridiculous thing I have seen and thank god I wasn’t there or I def would have gone to jail. I would have jumped on one of them like a fucking spider monkey.

      1. Strata


        sure you would have ….

      2. Agent Smith


        You would have intentionally assaulted security/airport police? My guess is “wtf” would be walking funny after getting a nightstick shoved up his asshole, sideways. That’s before he’d find himself in federal court, where they do NOT fuck around. Fuckin’ toughguy.

    12. Tired of Don't Snitch Pussies


      Fauxcahontas and that whiny, fat blond on the plane both need to have their heads stoved in.

    13. Justice


      Ya know what crazy Asian man? EVERYONE “needed” to get home, otherwise they would have taken the $800. You screaming was about as loco as it gets…nevermind how you ran back on the plane ranting up and down the aisle. LOL FUCKING UNHINGED DUDE…Hilarious nonetheless. HOWEVER…FUCK YOU UNITED AIRLINES. YOUR STOCK TANKED TODAY. AHHHHH HA HA HA ….I for one think they way airlines operate is disgusting. There should be laws against the swindling they do. Like doubling and tripling fares during school vacation weeks.

    14. Dolphin


      Sorry…but I don’t agree with most of the posts. He should have quietly left the plane and dealt with the airline directly. Everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

      1. Shookones


        Well this will pay..ahhem.. I mean play out in the long run for him.

      2. mike


        no spine eh?

        1. Talisman


          Please take your cell phone, start videoing, go into an airport, and demonstrate to all of us your superiority. Tell DHS to fuck right off, that you’re not going to do what they say. If you don’t have the balls for that, get on an airplane and video yourself telling the stewardess that you’re not going to turn off your cell phone, and we’ll see what you’re made of, internet tough guy.

          1. mike


            another straw man argument, pretty weak dude

    15. Sensei Wu


      ME NO RIKEY!!!

      1. Talisman


        That’s funny right there. Surprised some SJW troll hasn’t called you a racist yet. Get back to your lice paddy, sranteye.

    16. MrytleTheTurtle


      United can suck donkey dick sideways.In 2007 they did the same thing to me(minus the ass kicking) and then they lost all of my luggage.

    17. Wwy


      Living in kike country what can ya do.

    18. April's Hopes, October's Heroes


      What a terrible unfortunate incident this was. You could throw blame all around but in my opinion the airline is 100% at fault here because what ever happened to the customer is always right. A $400.00 to $800.00 dollar compensation to a Doctor for a serious inconvenience is an insult. And what if what the Doc said was true and that he indeed needed to get to his patients. In that case I doubt any compensation would have worked with the Doctor. Even if the offer was tripled that is still chump change for a physician and not worth the problems he could face not tending to his patients.

      The airline should have made a more attractive offer and eventually some passengers would have cooperated. That to me is just common sense. Comeon there had to been a couple of college kids on that flight. You throw 2G in their direction for a different flight and they would jump all over that being as most college kids are broke. Or least I was back in the day. I would have put down my warm beer and stale peanuts for that deal when in school all day long. So what – I miss Botany the next morning. I hated Botany anyway. Fucking plants – who gives a shit.

      Anyway – Issue with Police. The problem with edited videos that reflect only part of the story should always be questioned. But it rarely is. People believe that what they see in an edited mode is the whole truth then form a hypothesis as to what entirely took place. That is an uninformed opinion in my opinion. Albeit it looks pretty fucked up and people sometimes run with just that and that alone. This does not do anybody any good.

      So often times in a scenario like this LE can serve as a problem solver, a bridge-gapper, a negotiator. The extra effort, not necessarily mandated, is worth the effort. In some circles they call it community policing. LE can work with the airline to insure a successful resolution and to avoid the physical encounter. Keyword: Resolution.

      So my point is that showing bits and pieces of an incident does a disservice to all involved. No one looks good in this incident as presented so it makes you wonder what is the rest of story. How much effort was there in resolving this? We don’t know. It doesn’t seem like much effort was put into it but that is the edited footage I am talking about and the conclusions drawn from it.

      Fact: Edited footage like this always always make LE look bad. Always.

      1. mike


        assault and battery, kidnapping never look good, regardless of how ‘edited’ the video is. Are you trying to imply that the edited part of the video would have justified the behavior of LE?

        1. Talisman


          You’re an awesome internet attorney. Please tell us more about what laws these cops broke while enforcing the other law on the books that says they can stomp your ass right off if you don’t comply with an airline’s or DHS’s demands. And while you’re at it, tell us what laws DHS will break when someone refuses to let them feel their crotches? Good luck with suing them, or even having them arrested, for assault, battery, kidnapping, lewd behavior, etc. when the law says they can do what the fuck they want to as well.

          1. mike


            then why are they lying?

            1. This--DUMMBDUMMB!


              Hey everyone look, the cops called dumb dumb Mike and told them everything that happened. He determined they were lying because he was also there and watched the whole thing. 10 second clip be dammed, he saw that big black cop do VIOLENCE! He also is a schooled judge and knows all the laws of what the police can or can’t do. So don’t even argue with him, when he flys he doesn’t go through security, just shows his judges card and super powers and tells them to get fucked. So, where you mad that the cop was black, did that not fit the narrative you were looking for? I bet it would have made it better for you if he was white, then you could blame racism on the “violence”. How was seat G34? You got the emergeny exit didn’t you, you dumb bastard!

        2. JesusH Mike is DUMB


          Sorry Talisman, Mike cant understand what your typing. You explained everything perfectly, he just…..can’t read. Oh you asked me what I was arrested for before Mike, it was assault and battery and kiddnaping. Even though assault and battery is not an arrestable offense as misdemeanor. But I’m sure you know that, your wicked smart and know all the laws.. fuck I forgot you can’t read. Sorry disregard. Assault and battery and kiddnaping….HAHAHA what and IDIOT.

          1. Talisman


            I hear ya. From my first comment up top, I made it clear that the airlines and DHS have no problem treating people like shit, and they get away with it because, it’s the fucking law. 9/11 made it 10x worse, and this brilliant troll thinks I’m saying it’s ok. I’m my opinion, it’s the next worst institutional loss of freedom in this country, second only to the government spying on every American 24/7. Of course we don’t like it. The remedy? There’s only one I can think of because it abundantly clear that those in charge aren’t going to change when we vote for it. I’d really like to see mikey dazzle CPD and DHS with his lawyerly wit at O’Hare one day, if he had the actual balls to say something. Highly doubtful.

            1. Jesus take the wheel-FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!


              Yeah 100%, it sucks, no one likes getting treated like cattle, with mild undertones of a police state. But thanks to radical Islam, Richard Reed and a few fuckknuckles, the airport and planes are not places you can stretch your constitutional nuts and make a stand. They are given so much leeway for the sake of “public safety”. Some of its legit, some of it’s not. But anytime anything happens with a plane or in an airport, people want things tighter for their safety, just as long as it doesn’t interfere with them at all…can’t have it both ways. But the legality of it is that they can do this, for pretty much any reason, and use force to get you to comply. He will win civilly though, and maybe things will change for the better.

          2. mike


            lol, talking to yourself huh?

        3. April's Hopes, October's Heroes


          Mike – What I am saying is we just do not know because we’re getting half (maybe even less) of the total footage. We don’t know what transpired between LE and the Doctor so how can you pass judgement? How can anyone pass judgement based on what little we observed. The only conclusion I can come up with is that it seems the airline could have made a more generous offer to inconvenience a passenger moments before take off. The price of the ticket and a 5 star all expenses paid hotel for an overnight would be the minimum offer I would think.

          2 G would cover all of that plus a little aggravation fee on top. Assault and Battery and Kidnapping on the part of LE is an unreasonable stretch. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

          1. mike


            that man was not a threat and he was not breaking the law, thats why we keep hearing stuff like “he fell” and “he attempted to strike the officer”.

            1. mike


              if the police officer was right, why was he suspended?

            2. April's Hopes, October's Heroes


              Again Mike we do not know based on what is presented here. I’m not even siding with this article entirely but I side with the fact that the airline did not do enough. And I could be caught up with half facts and half truths to even come up with that conclusion.

              So to hell with the limited edited footage. A real in-depth investigation would be necessary to involve interviewing witnesses that were close to the incident as an addendum to the limited footage. And I mean interview everybody. A review of the airline’s policies with regard to these types of incidents, interview the flight attendants in attendance as well as the the pilots. This is the course needed toward the truth.

            3. This--DUMMBDUMMB!


              Oh shit you saw it? What happened when you were there? So he didn’t actually fall…I knew it!…fucking lying bastards. Are they charging him with violence? I think you can get like 5 years for that. I heard they suspended him because this guy named Mike was so horrified by what he saw that they had to do it. Told them that he was getting charged with kiddnaping, and assault. Thought it was so unessesary for it to happen to that guy, but I guess they wanted to investigate it and suspend him until they hear from you to clear everything up. But I would call and tell your side of the story, I’m sure they would love to hear for you.

            4. mike


              This–DUMMBDUMMB!-your screen name fits you perfectly. you just spew out stupid shit.

            5. April's Hopes, October's Heroes


              Mike – This is a healthy debate and I welcome it. This is what adults do. Well maybe not like this however. So to see dissenting opinions from yours fall with multiple thumbs down and your takes to arise with multiple thumbs up merely illustrates your lack of cognitive judgement and overall maturity.

              Debate – we welcome it. But stop with the childish Bullshit banter already. You are better than that and you know it. Keep it real Mike and carry on. But keep it real please.

    19. Independent Thinker


      Had I bought a ticket, I would have refused to have gotten off as well. My schedule is just as important, if not more important, than the schedules of the four UAL employees they were trying to accommodate. Perhaps if they had offered $10,000 instead of $800, they would have gotten more volunteers. Looking back, $10,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the damage and financial losses that have now occurred (look at their stock price). Plus a lawsuit is probably imminent.

      I don’t care if the person removed was a convicted murderer who was recently released from prison. This type of thing should not happen in this country. These types of “values” are usually instilled upon the employees through the various levels of management, starting with the CEO, and it is usually done to intimidate others and to promote fear in those who may choose to stand up for themselves. No excuse.

    20. X


      Is that George Takei being dragged?

    21. X


      This guy is a hero? Jesus Christ, what a fucking dumb country we live in.

      1. Holy GwakaMolley


        Yeah the term HERO has changed a lot . Going limp and screaming like a three year old throw a tantrum. Definitely and American hero, just like the Marines at Guadalcanal.

        1. Turtlefag


          What a bunch of stupid fags who run this site. It’s truly for the lowest common denominator. They’re just as bad as the people whom they write about. This isn’t even amatuer journalism. I’m done with these losers.

          – Peace

    22. ASIAN SNOWFLAKE


      Rules is rules. Get off the plane, take your free hotel room and $800 then post the shit out of it on social media and don’t fly United again.

      That’s how you handle this properly, Doc.

      1. pell


        Too bad you should of been there to give up your seat-Hero. Loose 24 hours of my life to stay in a crappy flea bag hotel in Shitcago, sign me up.

    23. Your name here*


      TURDleboy Sports: This passenger was kicked off a flight, he is a doctor and convicted felon/ quasi sexual deviant for crimes he committed over 10 years ago. That doesn’t matter, leave his past out of it. He did nothing wrong. We love him and we would let him sodomize us for Oxys. He’s our hero. He is an Asian American badass!

      TURDleboy Sports: Let’s dig up the past and completely ruin every single person we write blogs on. These people are shitbags and don’t deserve to be treated as humans. They suck. They are ratchets. One is a gutter-muppet piece of shit.

      That being said…. I agree with you about the doctor. He may be a convicted shitbag, but that has nothing to do with anything. I also agree that every person you write about is a shitbags and I laugh my ass off at how retarded they all are. I just wanted to tell you what hypocrites you are even though I love seeing you ruin people’s already ruined reputations.

    24. Sloppy


      As Turtleboy said, this is simple economics. If nobody bit at $800, raise the bar. Eventually someone will take it. It sure beats the quarter billion dollars the airline just wiped off their market capitalization this week.
      I’ve taken $600 to switch flights because I had time on once occassion, I’ve turned down $1000 yet another time because I was connecting from a flight out of Tokyo and I was all sorts of jetlagged and didn’t want to spend another fucking minute travelling. But even that time, if they’d raised it enough I’d have bit. Again, simple economics…

    25. Jeannie Bailey


      My 2 cents on the United thing…
      it is highly likely one or more flight schedules would have been interrupted or canceled due to the refusal of this man to give up his seat for a crew member. With that being said a generous offer to passengers is a valid option verses physically removing a body. Crew member’s not getting to their destination, will impact more than 300 passengers waiting for their staff, many folk don’t’ realize this and assume they are hitching a ride home or something . so it’s critical for the crew to board and it may have very well been a last minute decision depending on other unrelated delays.

      Correct me if I’m wrong but it was the Chicago Department of Aviation security officers that dragged this man off the vessel and NOT United. … yes, United called security which may have then snow balled into this fiasco and the United staff had no idea what to do at that point, probably standing there in shock themselves. Deer in the headlights. At what point does someone step in between security and a possible unstable man?

      God only knows what took place prior to this 40 second clip. Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending them, I just know there’s always more to the story than what the media would force feed us. The whole travel thing is horrible on every level. I watched as hotels gouged travelers, going from 175 per night to 420 in less than 3 hours due to flight cancellations and/or being on standby while I could still purchase that same ticket online for mere 1000 dollar and how my bags reach my destination 8 hours before me is some of my greatest complaints with all airlines. My horror stories are plenty traveling nearly every week for over 10 years but my passenger stories are far worse, there are some pretty strange folk out there.

      Am I mistaken that there was more than one passenger asked to debark? How does it get to this point.. guy refuses, throws temper tantrum, and then he’s knocked around. This is the question folk should be asking… as I said god knows what happened prior to this short video. Seriously, it is fully possible this guy was throwing himself around knocking out his own teeth and busting his lip. He certainly sounds unstable to me… does it justify the action of the Airline security?.. probably not to this degree unless they were trying to stabilize him but it is obvious they eventually dragged him off which if mentally ill or not is pretty brutal unless he’s robbing a bank or something. His refusal getting to this point does lead me to believe he’s unstable or looking for the next big opportunity… people are no doubt opportunist and will jump in front of cars if they see dollar signs.

      Being security they need to be smart enough to handle the mentally ill and opportunist so either way they flunked their charm classes, but they did remove him. Because he refused to stand is his prerogative maybe he saw more dollar signs if it was dramatic. Maybe security broke his legs before anyone could catch that on video. But if it got to the point where security wants me off and I’ve refused until they warn me they will physically remove me well I’m probably going to negotiate then get up and move. I’m not going to let it get to a point where someone grabs me… doesn’t anybody else find this strange? I mean he held on to his seat like a 2 year old with a candy bar… how do you let it get to this point and what is security going to do? How are they supposed to handle a crazy man like that?

      Yeah, sorry your ticket is not a guarantee that you will get to your destination at the time you expect.. it happens 100’s of times a day. no different than if you took a cab and it got a flat or got stuck in traffic. Get your money back and get out of the car or off the plane, only airlines offer above your initial investment. If your cab/bus broke you wouldn’t get back any more than the fare initially asked and your replacement vehicle could take hours to arrive. It’s life which often gets in the way of living.

      I refuse to travel United due to my own personal experiences but I’m not 100% on the bandwagon to chastising them over this incident… it appears to me that there is a special interest in persecuting United… maybe another competitor? This would help to explain the excessive “air” time for this story.

      Regardless, if airlines so choose to pay twice your org. purchase price and everyone refuses it then a random pick of your name means you draw the short straw, off to the dungeon with you. I’ve been on two flights where someone quite unstable was asked to remove themselves and then had to be forced to debark via security. (one woman simply didn’t want to shut her phone off…insane). Your ticket clearly states this situations in very very small print where nobody can read without a magnifying glass, but it’s there! You agreed to those terms. Your seat is not worth the other 250+ passengers being delayed… nor is it a guarantee you will arrive on time or on your original flight.

      Airlines 0, security negative 2, and deranged customer negative 5. No hero in my book.

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