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If Someone Could Explain Why Citizens Need To Be Able To Buy AR-15’s We Would Like To Learn

 

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Turtleboy will be the first to admit that he knows jack shit about guns. We don’t have a problem with responsible gun ownership (no one should), but we would like to learn more. So let’s talk about this thing:

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The AR-15. The preferred weapon of choice for terrorists of all skin colors and religious ideologies. They seem to be drawn to it. I understand from what I’ve seen on the world wide internets that this thing is often mistakingly called an “assault rifle” for dramatic effect. And we fully recognize that TONS of responsible gun owners possess these things and are a threat to nobody except for dangerous criminals.

So here’s my question – where do we draw the line about what kind of weapon you can and can’t purchase in order to protect yourself and your family? Because there has to be a line right? For instance, nothing would make me feel safer than owning an atomic bomb. No one would EVER fuck with me because I’d be the guy with the nukes.

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But obviously I would not be allowed to do that, because we don’t hand out weapons of mass destruction to civilians. And no, I’m not comparing guns to atomic bombs, but the principle is the same. All I’m saying is that clearly there is a line that can be drawn about what can and cannot be purchased for personal protection and peace of mind.

I’ll pose this question to gun owners – what do you want one of these things for? Just curious. Not trying to start anything here, just want to learn. And if your answer is somewhere along the lines of this:

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Then that’s a pretty shitty argument. Do better. You’re basically saying that you can’t come up with a reason and you’re hiding in your Second Amendment safe space. It’s almost as bad as this argument:

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Newsflash – if we are ever in a situation where our government turns into the Nazis and they start coming after us, we’re fucked. It doesn’t matter how many AR-15’s we’ve got in our bunkers. They’ve got nuclear bombs. Game over. They win. The government will fuck us up so badly and there’s nothing the Second Amendment will be able to do to stop the onslaught.

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So I guess what Turtleboy is saying is that we’d like to learn something today. We’d like to know the exact type of situation in which an AR-15 gives you a tactical advantage while protecting your home that doesn’t involve a zombie apocalypse. We wanna know why you can’t just buy a 9 mm. Because if a 9 mm isn’t enough to protect your house from bad guys, then what’s the purpose of buying a 9 mm? Do you live in a trench? Are there Germans 400 yards from your house planning their next charge? Like I said, we wanna learn.

 

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108 Comment(s)
  • Archibald Heatherington Nastyface
    March 26, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    The obese guy’s rifle is destined to become a random loot drop…

  • Josh Acid
    June 16, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    A man’s got to know his limitations.

    After SNL, I discovered Wasp Spray.

    Regards

  • LinesLinesLines
    June 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    Well, there are already “lines” as to what kind of weapons private citizens can own. The point here is not to let that line keep getting longer and longer (wider and wider?).

    Today it’s the AR-15. Then, terrorists switch to another semi-auto rifle. Ban that.

    Then, to semi-auto handguns. Ban them.

    See where this is headed?

    THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!
    /picard

  • Dom
    June 15, 2016 at 11:33 am

    It turns out that the initial reports that the gun man used an AR-15 were false. He used a Sig Sauer MCX carbine.

  • JenB
    June 15, 2016 at 10:33 am

    I am sure someone covered this, but I didn’t have time this morning to read through them. So I apologize if it has been covered already.

    The LA riots after the Rodney King verdict is the biggest example of why they are needed. Why didn’t the Asian store owners get looted? They stood on the roof tops of their store with rifles. Rifles can be seen. AR 15 is a rifle, not a machine gun, and it looks scary. You put an AR 15 in the hand of someone guarding a store from a roof top from animals looting and you can see it from a longer distance. No one will see a hand gun. It’s really just a cosmetic difference from other semi-automatic rifles. The point is to intimidate and while that truck driver was pulled and beaten on camera for the world to see, the Asians on their rooftops with rifles and shot guns were safe. You don’t fuck with someone holding an AR 15 and it is better for all involved if that gun is seen a hundred yards away instead of 20.

    Also a rifle is better to shoot long distances which is why hunters use rifles and not hand guns. Rifles are more accurate.

    The reality is this, there will be riots again. While we may not be able to take on a government with tanks (a debate for another day) we are more likely going to need to protect ourselves from rioters. Even if no shot is fired the fact that the AR15 is intimidating will protect people and most likely in a riot situation never need to be fired.

  • Freedom
    June 15, 2016 at 10:06 am

    We have guns to protect ourselves from Tyrannical governments. People who do not understand WHY this is necessary need to study history.

    • KimberlyS
      KJDS
      June 15, 2016 at 12:53 pm

      Or just look at modern day North Korea.

  • Sweet Justice
    June 15, 2016 at 7:36 am

    Agree TB! No need for an AR. Anyone who wants to purchase one should have a damn good reason….if there is one…otherwise….DENIED!

  • BobnMic
    June 15, 2016 at 2:27 am

    Hey you know something Fuck It! I’ll take a cherry red Lamborghini with a combination tan and black interior over any stupid gun ever made…

    That’s just me…

  • Gronkmonster
    June 14, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    Man has killed man since the first men walked on earth we just do it more efficiently now…Watch any of the news casts of the terrorist events that have happened in gun free countrys..Not only did the terrorist get guns but the regular police did not have any to even fight back…Military member hacked to death outside a military installation and no one had a gun (libtards actually considered banning knives with points after)..France night club..Lets wait around till the cops with guns show up for another 30 minutes because the early responders have none but the bad guys do..Watch the Charlie Hebdo video…Cops without guns slaughtered…Lets all be more like them poor fools

    No thanks

    I should not own a gun but a guy on 3 terrorist watch lists can get one..Makes perfect sense

    Quick quiz….What is the number one murder weapon is Australia now that guns are banned ???

  • Reddog
    June 14, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    Great discussion. Pop ups are totally annoying,and now I get kicked off the site on my I pad multiple times a day.

  • Randy Haskins
    June 14, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    Your readers have provided a lot of good points. Consider asking a friend who is a responsible gun owner to take you to a range some time (if you have never been), just to get a little more familiarity.
    Discussions of what “should be allowed” are mostly moot. Think about the opioid epidemic now, or Prohibition about 100 years ago. If the US “bans” “scary guns,” the Chinese and Russians will simply start churning out AK-47s and smuggling them into to the instant black market that develops. So bad guys will have scary guns, and good guys won’t.

  • whatevuh
    WHATEVUH
    June 14, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    A “well-regulated militia” didn’t mean guys who read Soldier of Fortune magazine running around in the woods with AK-47s and warpaint on their faces. It basically meant what today we call the National Guard.

    Don’t try to refute that, if you do, you’re as crazy as the fucking idiots that murder with it . . . . . .

    • Jay
      June 14, 2016 at 6:24 pm

      Legally speaking all 18+ men of this country are in a militia.

    • True Reality Speaks
      True Reality Speaks
      June 14, 2016 at 8:37 pm

      The National Guard, Reserves, etc are government entities. The whole point of the 2A was to affirm our natural right to be able to protect ourselves, and the use of the word militia is to extend that right to like minded individuals to organize and specifically defend against an overbearing government that may decide to violate your God-given rights as a human being. Government doesn’t “give” us rights, and neither does the Constitution. The Constitution states that the PEOPLE have all the rights and that the power of the government is to be severely restricted. Your use of hyperbole reveals your bias against individual rights vs cult rights. Fail.

      • hetero white male
        June 15, 2016 at 12:59 am

        “Government doesn’t “give” us rights, and neither does the Constitution”

        This can’t be overstated. INALIENABLE rights. The forefathers saw the rights as GOD GIVEN. Not necessarily from a specific God, but as in a higher power. They are essential to our existence. They aren’t granted to us by governments.


  • To shoot these annoying advertisements ruining this site and making it unbearable to even read anything.

  • roy_batty
    June 14, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Soooo, are you going to release my comments from moderation? Those stats are from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports and I provided the link.

    TL;DR, firearms homicide is way down from the 1993 peak despite massive gun purchases over the last 2 decades and rising population. Scary looking guns and law-abiding citizens are not the problem, criminals are.

    • BlackandWhite
      June 14, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      Can’t add links to comments — it will get rejected automatically.

  • BlackandWhite
    June 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    BTW…. the Orlando shooter did not use an AR-15. He used a Sig Sauer MCX carbine.

    MY question is: if there was a bouncer at the door, how the heck did they miss seeing a rifle before this dude entered the bar??

  • Publius
    June 14, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    The best thing to do with the uninformed is to show them a bad ass looking picture of a paint ball gun and ask “should this be banned?”. Classic confused look at their faces when they realize they really been had.

  • Publius
    June 14, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    An AR15 does pretty much what any gun does. You pull trigger it fires. The uninformed press and some politicians would have you believe AR15 has magical gun powers.

  • WormtownorBust
    June 14, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    TB,

    Take the firearm safety course that required if you want to get a gun permit.

    If you do that, you’ll find out that there’s nothing special about an AR-15. It just looks like a military weapon. There’s nothing about it that’s scarier or more dangerous than any other gun that a person could buy.

    • Why Not
      June 14, 2016 at 2:56 pm

      Maybe TB cannot get a gun permit.

  • Daniel Simpson Day
    June 14, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    Stop the anti gun bleeding heart blame game…A gun is a mechanical device that relies on actions of humans to operate as designed. No different than a Jap racing bike or a bull dozer or a lawn mower or your cell phone. Its fashionable in our world today to try to find something specific to blame when tragedy occurs and due to technology everyone thinks they are smarter than everyone else,however the reality is that hate kills. It has killed for thousands of years with stones and spears and arrows and swords to guns and bombs. Stop the madness, be vigilant and demand action from those who we pay to.protect us. But stop the social justice warrior crap.

  • Joe
    June 14, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    Makes up for a small dick.

    • Dom
      June 14, 2016 at 3:40 pm

      Why is it that when a male has an interest there is always some douchebag that has to relate it to the size of a penis. Hey you play baseball and purchased all of the top of the line gear … it must be because you have a small dick. That awesome truck you bought … yep small dick. Did you build an over sized garage to work on cars? you must have a small dick.

      I use my dick to piss and fuck. I am married with children so more for the former than the latter now-a-days but regardless…. my hobbies and interests have NOTHING to do with the size of my cock.

      News flash RE: size… if you put 1000 random guys in a room together 900 out of 1000 will be with in a 1 inch range of each other … that’s a difference of this: {———————}.

      The big question Joe …. Why do YOU care how big another dude’s penis is?

      • True Reality Speaks
        Mirror Mirror
        June 14, 2016 at 8:18 pm

        ‘cuz he’s a lib and has a mangina

      • FiestyLawyerLady
        June 15, 2016 at 8:01 am

        The second paragraph is epic.

  • Glad
    June 14, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    I doubt you’ll read this because this is probably just to get comments, but there are ARs chambered in 9mm along with numerous other calibers that greatly change their penetration and suitability for different applications. This includes hollowpoint and other ammunition that is designed to fragment and not over penetrate through anything but your target. In additon 223 penetrates walls and barriers LESS than 9mm. Furthermore, It’s also worth pointing out that an AR is no different than a Ruger 10-22 or Mini-14, which are never complained about being “assault” weapons.
    Aside from the freedom defense, ARs are a good option for weak or smaller shooters, the butt stock and fore grip allow much better control than a pistol and, along with the weight, help to control the recoil. The tactical rails also allow for more attachments than the typical pistol, lights and lasers that assist in aiming at long distances of land and can even intimidate an intruder into compliance in very rare cases.
    So ARs are more accurate, less penetrative, safer and have far more versatility than most 9mm pistols. But what’s most important is how they are exactly the same as any other semi automatic gun.

  • juror seven
    June 14, 2016 at 1:41 pm

    You’ve been pretty much roasted on this one turtleboy. I’m for private ownership of firearms. I trained while in the military. Being left handed it wasn’t easy. The M-1 carbine was designed for the right handed. By the time I left, I had cycled from the M-1 to the M-14 and finally to the M-16. No matter the weapon, the rules were the same. Know what your doing. I trust myself even today to handle any firearm correctly.

  • TiredOfThisCrap
    June 14, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    Honestly, I personally don’t feel a need to ever own or posses this type of weapon, I don’t see the need. I consider is something suitable for military battle, or by SWAT members if need be in a highly secured area. I’m not anti-gun in any sense of the argument, and everyone should have the right to carry should they desire (and meet all qualifications). That said, I think it is time to reevaluate said qualifications… Oh you’ve been under investigation by the FBI (twice), well yeah your on a seven year hiatus from gun purchases, sort of like someone who files bankruptcy. You kind of have to earn peoples trust back.

    However, on a side note, I live in Indianapolis now… that meme about fainting due to stairs has me literally laughing so hard I almost peed my pants. Hand to God… that is almost exactly what they look like out here. It’s very depressing yet sooooo funny.

    • Dom
      June 14, 2016 at 3:49 pm

      You said:

      “I personally don’t feel a need to ever own or posses this type of weapon”

      Do you feel the need to possess another type of weapon?

      Point is that ar-15 is glorified because it LOOKS bad ass … but its not … its a semi-auto rifle not an M-16 assault rifle.

  • FiestyLawyerLady
    June 14, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    So, I’m assuming I will be the first one dead here with my pepper spray and fists… That’s all I’ve got.

    • KimberlyS
      KJDS
      June 14, 2016 at 1:18 pm

      Probably, but at least you’ll go down fighting 🙂

      • FiestyLawyerLady
        June 14, 2016 at 2:06 pm

        Damn Skippy! I will use my teeth if I have to!

  • Joe Max
    June 14, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    I’m not a gun owner, have no plans to be one. People who want to buy guns is OK with me. There’s a million laws on the books, many are not enforced either. Couple of my friends have guns, seems the older they get, the less interested they are about guns. I Just don’t have a issue, long as they are legal, licensed, etc. I have a issue with the illegal stuff out-there, in the hands of the imbeciles.

  • Dom
    June 14, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    First, the AR in AR-15 does not mean “assault rifle”, it means “ArmaLite Rifle” the company that designed it.

    AR-15’s that are available to the public look similar but are not the same as the military version. The military version is an M16. While the AR-15 and M16 are nearly identical in external appearance, they are internally different. The hammer and trigger mechanisms are designed differently, and the bolt carrier and internal lower receiver of the semi-automatic versions are milled differently, so that the firing mechanisms are not interchangeable. People can not pull the trigger on an AR-15 and spray the contents of the mag. 1 trigger pull = 1 bullet expelled. This is the same with any other semi-automatic pistol or rifle.

    Many criticize the high capacity mags. Some states have banned mags with a capacity over 20 rounds but 30, 40 or 50 round mags are still and can be found for many semi-automatic pistols and rifles, not just AR-15’s. Honestly, restricting mag capacity is like ordering a diet coke with your double quarter meal. The diet coke is not going to help you lose weight and the smaller mag capacities really do nothing. With a little bit of practice, anyone can learn to reload a mag in a seconds.

    So what’s the appeal? What was the appeal of the Toyota Celica 10-15 years ago? It looked like a cool little Italian pasta rocket but owners were quick to find out that the 140 HP, 1.8L 4 banger could barely get out of its own way … but people STILL bought them.

    The AR-15 is It is customizable, adaptable, reliable and accurate. Owners can modify and personalize their AR-15 from carbine-length, stocks, optics, barrels, etc. The AR-15’s ability to be modified to your own personal taste is one of the things that makes it so unique.

    • Talisman
      June 14, 2016 at 12:35 pm

      But it’s a gun, it’s black, and it goes bang bang…..a lot. I was witness to all I needed to know about how citizens will be treated after a catastrophic event. Those that think you don’t “need” something like this, shouldn’t bother stocking up on anything else either.

  • jimmy
    June 14, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    Hey genius, the guy in Orlando did not use an AR15.

    • Talisman
      June 14, 2016 at 12:28 pm

      While the Sig MPX is not technically an AR, neither are a POF or LMT piston rifle. Most sensible reports I’ve read obviously have someone who is firearm savvy there saying AR “style” rifle. Just like a PAP would be an AK style. I agree that accuracy in the media regarding firearms is hideous, it wouldn’t matter though. Even someone who knows a little about guns would still call it an AR. I know cops that know so little about firearms that they are unsafe going to condition 4

  • President Matt
    June 14, 2016 at 11:55 am

    The reverse of the question is more worthy of discussion. “Ho w can the Government that lets drug dealers out on bail to murder cops, and can’t tell a hardened terrorist from a refugee, be trusted to determine who should own a weapon?”

    • KimberlyS
      KJDS
      June 14, 2016 at 12:02 pm

      Excellent point.

    • Talisman
      June 14, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      They shouldn’t. When the time comes, they will seize them in the name of safety and leave you to die. Guaranteed

  • Talisman
    June 14, 2016 at 11:54 am

    Would anyone feel better if pipe bombs had been used in Orlando? How about a couple had cans and road flares? Driving a car over people in the parking lot or into the building? All of the above?
    Weapons of war are whatever weapon you can get your hands on. Is a bow no longer considered a weapon of war? Sure, it’s a little slow, but if one life could be saved, is it not worth denying the capability to take that life?
    During Katrina, law abiding citizens were disarmed at the point of a gun buy the government. Meanwhile, killers roamed the streets armed to the teeth. I can’t imagine why someone would want to own something that could save their life.

  • usmc1
    June 14, 2016 at 11:54 am

    The AR is well rounded, thats why prople like them. They are easy To find, buy and modify. The rounds are easy to find, which is a HUGE problem belive it or not for many wepons out there. They are a good home defense weapon, use in hunting or target pratice. They are easy to be proficient with, have alot of modifications you can attach to them for whatever you plan to do with them. You can purchase rounds specifically for home defense so they are not going through your neighbors living room also. The last article you talked about the stress of being in a firefight. If you wake up in the middle of the night with someone/multiple people in your house, you want to make it as easy as possible on yourself to survive. If you miss a little with a pistol, you are off by a mile on the big end. Rifle is more forgiving, is more stable to shoot under pressure, has more knockdown power than a pistol and more rounds to stop your threat with. If you use it for home defense, you can add an AIMpoint and a flashlight too it, alot of pistols you can’t attach lights too.

  • ProfessorM
    June 14, 2016 at 11:52 am

    Okay, in my opinion, you don’t need one. I am a responsible gun owner and I do have different guns for different reasons. As far as my different reasons, one fits better on an ankle holster, one is easier to conceal when I’m wearing tight fitting clothing. One shoots better and has less recoil in between shots. At no time do I ever think, which one will kill the most people the fastest. In my opinion, there are a few different bullshit reasons that people would want to own one of these. One… They watch to much Walking Dead and they have convinced themselves that there will eventually be zombies coming for their non existent brains. Two… they believe that the government will one day come for their guns, and they have the insane mentality that they will talk out as many of them as they can before they go down. Or Three, and I do believe this is most common, as well as the scariest reason…. They KNOW that they have no training, they KNOW that they can’t hit a target, and the mindset is, if I shoot 100 bullets in that direction, I’m bound to hit ONE of my targets. I have no problem with responsible people owning guns. I do, however, believe that you should have to do physical training and not just a written test to get one. They made it harder to own guns by making it more expensive for the permit, and making it a longer, harder to pass class. In reality, they should’ve included physical training. You should have to prove that you CAN HIT a target, before you get your license, but again, that’s just my opinion.

    • KimberlyS
      KJDS
      June 14, 2016 at 12:04 pm

      “They KNOW that they have no training, they KNOW that they can’t hit a target, and the mindset is, if I shoot 100 bullets in that direction, I’m bound to hit ONE of my targets.”

      You know that you have to pull the trigger to fire each round? These are not military grade automatic weapons.

      • ProfessorM
        June 14, 2016 at 5:18 pm

        You are right and I am wrong, I actually shouldn’t have commented because I only looked quickly at the gun and the headline, and barely read the story. I mistook the gun for a rapid fire. My head isn’t even here today as my dog is deathly ill and I have spent the whole day trying to comfort her. I apologize for my mistake….

        • KimberlyS
          KJDS
          June 15, 2016 at 8:56 am

          I’m sorry about your dog. Hope things get easier.

  • American Law Abiding Citizen
    June 14, 2016 at 11:45 am

    3 things, Turtleboy…
    1) you’re statement :
    “The government will fuck us up so badly and there’s nothing the Second Amendment will be able to do to stop the onslaught.”
    is not very well thought out. Think about what the government muscle is. It’s the AMERICAN military. Does Turtleboy REALLY think that if a few .Gov bigwigs say “get em”, that the American military will turn their weapons AGAINST American citizens?
    NO.
    99.9% of the American military joined said organization to PROTECT American rights (ESPECIALLY the 2nd) and the American people. So those few .Gov folks who tried to turn America against itself would wind up being the ones who get “fucked up”.
    2) There are 100’s or reasons why Americans choose to own AR-15/M4 style rifles. But I only have time to list the (in my opinion) most prevalent.
    •They’re reliable and easy to use. If you’re awoken at 3am by a crash in your living room, you don’t know what it is. It could be one man, or it could be 5 (Google Mont Vernon, NH attack). The AR is easy to manipulate, accurate, and a firearm most people can manage without issue.
    •Mitary Vets like to stick with what they know, and the American people trust what the American Military uses.
    • If the police can protect themselves with them, we can too. We do NOT encounter the same daily threats as the police (on a day-to-day basis) but we are in there same danger. Police choose to walk into a home with a potential maniac, so they take a rifle with them as protection. We, as the public, usually occupy said homes the cops walk into, and sometimes have NO CHOICE but to deal with the maniac inside. So we are allowed to have the same protection.
    •Very modular- the AR can be used for sport, self defense, hunting, any MANY (if not MOST) other applications that firearms are part of.
    3) Read the 2nd Amendment. Because it’s our RIGHT as American Citizens.

  • SubwayMonkey
    June 14, 2016 at 11:44 am

    To all the people who equate buying a fast car to owning a semi-automatic weapon, bear in mind that in order to own a car, you must also have adequate insurance coverage. If you own a Corolla and you have no moving violations, you’re insurance cost will be low. If you own a Corvette and you have not operated responsibly in the past, insurance cost will be high. Compare that to gun ownership. There is no insurance mandate, whether you are a responsible hunter using a single-shot rifle or a nut who wants an AR-15 as a reaction to being a self-hating gay. In many states, there is not even a need for a license or passing a test.

    If you feel it is your right to bear arms, where is the line drawn? Are your rights being infringed upon if you are not allowed to pack heat on a plane? Or if you cannot carry a surface-to-air missile launcher? Or if you can’t buy a gun because you have a restraining order against you? Currently, the average person cannot purchase a fully automatic weapon. That is gun control. Is this wrong too?

    • Why Not
      June 14, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      Yes, it is wrong. Read theconstitution.

      • SubwayMonkey
        June 14, 2016 at 2:51 pm

        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” So taken literally, either guns are limited to a well-regulated militia and not the general populace OR any limitation on use of arms, whether they be rifles, pistols, surface to air missiles, dirty bombs, etc is unconstitutional. I prefer we use a little common sense and consider the General Welfare of the citizens. Have gun owners hold insurance and be trained, as well as limiting the sale of guns that can unload thirty rounds in a matter of seconds.

        • Keir Darcey
          Rochambeau
          June 14, 2016 at 8:52 pm

          No. Just no.

          Google the following: well regulated meaning 1776.

          This provides the historical context of the phrase “well regulated” e.g. functioning as expected. The general populace partly comprised of all able bodied men of certain age (17-45) who were the militia. Think about that. In 1776, if you were a man, you were expected to own a musket and bring your musket to training monthly and train with your musket with your well-regulated militia or ‘trained band’ – in the parlance of the time. There wasn’t a non-existent vault in a non-existent armory for the government’s non-existent musket that was issued out when the training or a war required it.

          Your application of ‘common sense’ would have gotten your ass beat for being a Loyalist for King George.

          Also, you can be a convicted felon and still own a black-powder musket. Weird, huh?

          • SubwayMonkey
            June 15, 2016 at 11:00 am

            The Founders were speaking of muskets because they didn’t have deadlier weapons and were speaking of a “trained band” because they didn’t have a dedicated military. So? We do now. Times change so the Constitution has to adapt to modern situations. It does not give carte blanche for citizens to gather as many weapons as they like, whether they be tanks, nukes, or biological weapons. Much like the First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.” That doesn’t mean that I have the freedom to libel you and hide behind freedom of speech. A literal interpretation without application of common sense would not work in our society. That is why we have the Supreme Court.

          • KimberlyS
            KJDS
            June 15, 2016 at 11:14 am

            You give the impression that you know what you are talking about, but you don’t. What you apparently want to see is martial law.

            The job of the government is to PROTECT THE RIGHTS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

            They are now usurping the rights of the citizenry that are provided by the constitution. That is the whole reason the 2nd Amendment exists. It is to protect our Freedom, our Rights, and our Lives.

    • Dom
      June 14, 2016 at 3:10 pm

      Guns are covered under homeowners and renters insurance policies for both physical damage, loss/theft & personal liability.

      The only time guns are not covered is if the owner (insured) is committing a criminal act. Insurance pays for stupidity … so if you have a legally registered firearm and decide to start cleaning it and show it off to your friends on a tail end of a 30 rack … you are covered when you accidentally discharge the weapon and shoot you buddy in the leg. Your homeowners insurance will also cover you and fight litigation if some cock sucker breaks into your house, you shoot them and then they have the balls to try to sue you.

      • Dom
        June 14, 2016 at 3:14 pm

        uggh … need an edit button for comments.

        “both physical damage, loss/theft & personal liability.”

        Physical damage, loss/theft is suppose to be one & personal liability the other … but it reads differently …

    • Lt. Dan
      June 14, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      The average person can very easily purchase a full auto weapon provided they have no felonies and have the funding. The line is already drawn they just need better enforcement

    • hetero white male
      June 15, 2016 at 12:39 am

      That would really suck if you went on a shooting-spree and your insurance rates went way up. I’ve heard some insurance companies have first mass-murder forgiveness programs, just in case you slip up and accidentally find yourself savagely mowing down innocent civilians. Happens to the best of us.

  • Wtf
    June 14, 2016 at 11:35 am

    They are accurate at long distances and fun to shoot. Not to mention they are legal to own.
    Except full auto – that is not legal to own.
    So when isis starts hiding around trees and buildings down the road I’ll be more prepared than with my .380.

    And for anyone who thinks AR stands for assault rifle – it actually stands for Armalite Rifle – the company that first made them.

    • American Law Abiding Citizen
      June 14, 2016 at 11:46 am

      Actually stands for A. R.
      As in A. R. Stoner. The man who invented it.

      • Dom
        June 14, 2016 at 12:28 pm

        Sorry … no

        AR stands for “Armalite Rifle” and was developed by Eugene Stoner … not A.R. Stoner

        • John Wick
          June 14, 2016 at 12:56 pm

          Winner!

          Armalite is correct.

          And TB, I have an AR because we have divisions of the government that have been used as political weapons, like the IRS. I don’t trust them. Same reason I save money, or learned how to fight and shoot. In case.

          I’d rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

          And it works JUST fine for home/property defense.

          • FiestyLawyerLady
            June 14, 2016 at 1:13 pm

            Jesus, you are well equipped. I’m moving I! I don’t require much… Some crunchy cheetos, beer, Wifi, and a hot shower. Maybe the occasional wine but it can be the cheap kind from the box… I’m classy like that.

          • John Wick
            June 14, 2016 at 7:08 pm

            It’s not letting me reply to you FLL, but…

            You have noooooo idea how well equipped I am.

            I mean… With guns n’ stuff… 😉

            Lolz

          • FiestyLawyerLady
            June 14, 2016 at 11:31 pm

            So I’m assuming that’s a yes. Thank God, I thought the wine would be a deal breaker!

            The Lolz was a nice touch. It brought me back to my Call of Duty days… Noob!

        • Talisman
          June 14, 2016 at 1:05 pm

          He meant I R A Stoner…
          Jesus..AR Stoner…

        • Why Not
          June 14, 2016 at 2:07 pm

          Unless u r a stoner. LOL sorry, couldn’t resist.

      • Lt. Dan
        June 14, 2016 at 6:13 pm

        Try again meatball…

  • Micky Shitz
    June 14, 2016 at 11:32 am

    I like to eat a hairy busch, but hairy busch is not the most up to date fad…so should I not eat hairy busch?

  • Jay
    June 14, 2016 at 11:30 am

    The AR is not special, really. There are literally thousands of other semi automatic rifles that could kill people the same way. People like it because it’s lightweight and more customizable than almost any gun out there, and it’s a pleasure to shoot at the range.

  • ItsAllABadDream
    June 14, 2016 at 11:29 am

    Agreed on the iPhone pop ups. Driving me shithouse over here…

    Not a gunowner but fully supportive of gun rights. I always felt this is more a question of how we handle crazy people than how we limit gun ownership. Sane responsible people could own a nuke without issue. Crazy people could kill with a spoon.

  • Pete
    June 14, 2016 at 11:27 am

    Other than being scary looking they are no different than any other semi automatic rifle with the exception that they are easy to shoot. There is no recoil allowing people of smaller stature ie women and smaller people ( appropriatley aged children) to use them. Plus they are fun to shoot and extremely accurate. Now I know you’re gonna say ” who would let a child shoot a gun” but not everyone in this country are afraid to teach our children about safe firearms handling at an early age.

    • JenB
      June 15, 2016 at 10:43 am

      Being scary is the exact reason I own one. They are easy to shoot and if for whatever reason I have to guard my house from looters they will see from a distance that I have one and choose another house. They certainly won’t see my Glock from four houses down.

      You don’t fuck with someone holding an AR 15.

  • Kristy Lee
    June 14, 2016 at 11:27 am

    Turtleboy my best response to answer this would be to go to a gun range try one out and you will see get a feel for all weappons… They are fun to use not just necessarily for protection it is like any other owning fast cars and motorcycles or jumping from planes it just is… They are no different from a hunting rifle nor are they any more dangerous it is the person holding the weapon which decides the danger assault is an action not a weapon . We cannot own automatics weapons like any other they are semi automatic now not military grade auto. I do agree however a background checks should be performed and one that is being investigated by the FBI should not be able to purchase or at least it should have flagged the FBI that he did or he did try … But again criminals will still get their hands on what they want one way or another .. This guy would’ve used other means I am sure if he had to…

    • Why Not
      June 14, 2016 at 2:04 pm

      How did that background check work in this case?????

      • KimberlyS
        KJDS
        June 14, 2016 at 2:43 pm

        He had no felonies and the FBI had closed their investigation, removing him from any type of terror watch list.

        Rest assured that had he failed a background check, he would have found a way to purchase the weapon illegally. Does the government sponsored ‘Fast & Furious’ ring a bell? We have no idea what happened to those weapons, and our own government put those into circulation on purpose.

        Which brings up another question that someone here already posted. With the level of incompetence that our government displays on a regular basis, what makes you think that any ‘checks’ they put in place will have any impact at all on what criminals are able to do? Witness Chicago.

        Criminals don’t follow laws. They will do what they want and figure out a way to get the weapons they need to do it.

  • BLADERUNNER
    June 14, 2016 at 11:25 am

    your question is why does someone NEED to buy a ar-15 rifle? no one NEEDS to buy one they like them..lets start from the description .it is black in color and resembles a military rifle but that is where the comparison ends.Military rifles are capable of firein fully automatic with one pull of the trigger.the civilian version is semi auto requiring the user to pull the trigger for each shot..there are many hunting rifkes that proform the same ,its a matter of cosmetics.in a free country the government should trust its citizens,case in point why do you need a corvette,or dofge charger,mustang etc? you cant drive at 150 mph. anywhere.YOU TRUST YOUR BUYERS TO EXIBIT COMMON SENCE.WHY SELL BOOZE / YOU TRUST THE BUYER TO ACT RESPONSIVELY.SOME OF US SIT IN OUR “IVORY TOWERS” DICTATING WHAT OTHERS SHOULD HAVE, SAY OR DO..AR 15 STYLE WEAPONS REPSENT LESS THAN 3% OF THE CRIMES BY FIREARMS.MORE PEOPLE ARE STABBED TO DEATH.I

  • NH Transplant
    June 14, 2016 at 11:24 am

    The honest truth of it is that they, and other larger guns are fun to shoot in a safe, controlled environment. They’re not ideal for home defense and they certainly can’t be carried concealed. And anyone without military or police training would very likely not use one effectively in a home invasion scenario. My question is, is that a justification for their rampant availability and ease of access by people who aren’t going to use them for fun, and instead for events like Orlando?

  • KM
    June 14, 2016 at 11:23 am

    There are people that just want the biggest bad ass option… Like with cars mentioned above.

    I don’t need or want an AR-15, but I want a gun and that’s all I should have to say as aAs American.

    Who gets to decide a 9 mm is “good enough” for me? Massachusetts politicians or judges?

    No thanks

    • Mike
      June 14, 2016 at 11:33 am

      The AR-15 is far from the “biggest option”

    • Fatfingr Lou
      June 15, 2016 at 6:52 pm

      KM,
      bravo!

      • russ
        June 16, 2016 at 7:46 am

        In my opinion if you can’t “protect” your home and loved ones with a handgun, then you should not be firing any weapon.

        • Forest
          October 2, 2016 at 7:21 pm

          Holy crap, are you serious? Do you then line up your wife and kids and push them to the bad guys? NO, RIGHT? What if you’ve got several armed intruders? An AR-15 gives you a fighting chance. Everybody who hates guns, if encountered with a violent intruder would willingly take the firearm being offered to them by their guardian angel that appears at the last minute. NO SHIT.

  • Lit up
    June 14, 2016 at 11:23 am

    When the criminal has an AR-15 and you have a 9mm, then you lose. even the cops admit that their service revolver is no match for some of the weapons the criminals have.
    Bad guys will always get more power than the average citizen.

    • BLADERUNNER
      June 14, 2016 at 11:32 am

      MOST POLICE CRUISERS ARE EQUIPPED WITH EITHER A RIOT SHOTGUN OR A MILITARY AR 15

      • Talisman
        June 14, 2016 at 12:05 pm

        most officers, if they are allowed to carry patrol rifles, have an AR15. Automatic rifles are normally reserved for ESU, SWAT type units.

      • BlackandWhite
        June 14, 2016 at 3:15 pm

        In our town, only one of the cruisers has an AR-15. But all have sub machine.

      • BobnMic
        June 14, 2016 at 10:18 pm

        No – cruisers are not and a AR-15 is not military. It is a modified version of military weaponry not capable of auto fire. Just single.

  • KimberlyS
    KJDS
    June 14, 2016 at 11:23 am

    First of all:

    “Here’s how David Kopel (via the Washington Examiner) describes it in an article in the “Journal of Contemporary Law” based on a definition from the Department of Defense (emphasis added):

    As the United States Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency book Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide explains, “assault rifles” are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.”[21] In other words, assault rifles are battlefield rifles which can fire automatically.[22]

    Weapons capable of fully automatic fire, including assault rifles, have been regulated heavily in the United States since the National Firearms Act of 1934.[23] Taking possession of such weapons requires paying a $200 federal transfer tax and submitting to an FBI background check, including ten-print fingerprints.[24]

    Many civilians have purchased semiautomatic-only rifles that look like military assault rifles. These civilian rifles are, unlike actual assault rifles, incapable of automatic fire.”

    More specifically as to why someone would want one, these weapons are often used for hunting as they are more accurate and fire at a longer range than some others.

    But really, they’re very similar to other rifles – they just look scary, which is why libs totally freak out about them.

    • Kristy Lee
      June 14, 2016 at 11:30 am

      all of the above also…

  • Dannyboy
    June 14, 2016 at 11:20 am

    These new pop up ads are fucking obnoxious…make your money and put as many ads in the articles as you want. But for the love of Christ get rid of the free iPhone pop up ads.

    Oh and there is no reason joe citizen needs an ar-15…it’s actually dangerous in home. Small rounds at that velocity would go thru several walls and hit kids and shit potentially. Shotgun is the best home defense, with buck shot. Of course…if all the bad guys have ar-15’s then citizens should prolly have equal fire power.

    • Adam
      June 15, 2016 at 8:40 am

      Bro, your stupid is showing. Buckshot and pistol rounds penetrate much further and faster than high velocity rifle rounds, especially self-defense rifle or TAP type rounds. A bullet going that fast actually shatters on impact. If I lived in say a condo or shared a wall with someone, I’d much rather they used an AR than a pistol or shotgun with buckshot in it.

    • tyrese
      June 15, 2016 at 12:14 pm

      I thumbs up this because of the ad rant not the illogical gun crap..I own one because it’s my right.

  • Nanny
    June 14, 2016 at 11:20 am

    1) Because I want the most modern and reliable tools to protect my family
    2) It is my right

    I prefer the AK platform to the AR, but YMMV.

  • Mike
    June 14, 2016 at 11:19 am

    An AR-15 is really no different than any other magazine fed semi-automatic rifle. It has the look of a military weapon but really does not have any more functionality than any other rifle. People are drawn to owning them because they look cool, are easily built or modified with mostly standard hand tools and the ammunition is relatively cheap. As a defensive weapon they have fairly good range and are pretty reliable. That style gun comes in multiple calibers from the pistol calibers up through some of the larger hunting rounds. The fear is mostly generated by the media and their lack of knowledge of weapons. They love the terms “Assault weapon”, “semi automatic”, Glock etc etc.

    Your original question as to why does anyone NEED one, well it is the same answer you could use for a high end sports car. You probably don’t need it but if you want it and can afford it you buy it.

    • Eric
      June 14, 2016 at 1:10 pm

      the difference is a high end sports car was not specifically designed to kill many people, as quickly as possible.

      • Talisman
        June 14, 2016 at 6:21 pm

        Neither were jumbo jets, and yet they did.

  • Linda-Linda-Linda
    June 14, 2016 at 11:16 am

    Why?
    Because a decent one is easy to shoot, accurate, uses commonly available ammo, is light to carry and is a blast to shoot. You can also reload the cartridges which is very nice right now during this drought of available ammo. Just have to be willing to pick up your brass.

    A 9mm is nice, (although I prefer a .380) but a handgun will never be as accurate as a long gun at distance.

    Santa brought me a very pretty Walther PPKS that is a work of art – as nice or nicer than a good watch. It is as good or better an investment than a watch too.

    • TDawg
      June 15, 2016 at 2:12 pm

      Have you had issues with jamming with your PPK? I have tried multiple brands of ammo and I get jams after each 2 or 3 rounds.
      Does anyone need a blog when there are plenty of newspapers, like the Worcester T&G, to give us opinions?

  • Why Not
    June 14, 2016 at 11:10 am

    Can a citizen spend $300K-$500K on a car that goes 200+mph or 4 cases of beer, 24 quarts of whiskey, Armani suits or drop a weeks salary or more at a casino? Some of us just like our guns. and most us never hurt anyone.

  • Why Not
    June 14, 2016 at 11:05 am

    Why Not???? I feel that if you can hold it and fire it , you should be able to own it. No different than a big house or a fancy 200mph car. or a fancy piece of jewelry.

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