Watertown RMV Strikes Again: Denies 16 Year Old Girl Permit Because Her Mom Gave Her Thumbs Up

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CBSCourtney Carroll now has to wait two months before she can try again.

“I’m very angry, I’m very upset because they are accusing her of cheating and she didn’t,” says Pamela Carroll, Courtney’s mother.

“It’s devastating for her self-esteem for her learning disability to fight back.”

Pam says her daughter Courtney just turned 16 and was very excited to get her drivers permit. Courtney has ADHD and was nervous about the test

“She already had 15 answers done,” Carroll said. “Every one of them was right.”

But during the test, as she was behind the glass window, at some point she looked at her mom and gave her a thumbs up.

The RMV says she was communicating with her mom behind the glass which is forbidden. So they failed her.

“She said it’s just like the SATs and stuff you can’t have any communication,” Carroll said.

They currently put a freeze on her permit for another 60 days, then she will have to take the test again.

“My poor daughter, 16 years old, highlight of her day, for her birthday, was to go in there with full confidence because she already had taken that 40-hour class to get that permit,” Carroll said. “And she did it on her own and was stopped and accused of cheating.”

In a statement to WBZ, the RMV said they try to accommodate anyone with disabilities but they need to know about it beforehand.

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Only the RMV. It takes a special kind of dingleberry to destroy a girl’s dreams on her 16th birthday because of some dumbass rule that exists for absolutely no reason.

First of all, the driver’s test for your permit might be the easiest test in the history of humanity. It’s literally impossible to fail. I remember actually wasting my time studying for that thing, only to find out that they were gonna ask me what color a stop sign is.

My question is, who the hell goes into the RMV with an elaborate set of signals designed to cheat on the world’s easiest test? This is what the RMV does? This is what they look out for? Did they actually think this girl and her mother had a plan where her mother would give her a thumbs up when she got to number 16, and somehow this would be a code for an answer to a question that the Mom can’t see?

The RMV has people that are paid to do this? Hey here’s an idea, instead of wasting the taxpayer’s time policing sign language between mother and daughter, how bout you put someone else behind the register who isn’t a disgruntled 45 year old woman going through the motions with visions of her next 5 minute cigarette break? Because I can’t recall ever being at the RMV and waiting less than an hour, or meeting someone who worked there and didn’t wanna blow their brains out. Maybe then the line wouldn’t be halfway down Austin Street at all hours of the day.


Anyway, it’s dumb to expect anything less from the RMV. These people have no soul. But what I don’t get are all the slug rakes supporting these dooshnozzles:

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“Rules are rules.” I’m sorry, but this is such a female response. Women fucking LOVE rules. Men live to bend the rules. It’s the primary difference between the genders. As men it’s our job to decide which rules are worthwhile and which ones are dumb. If a rule prevents obvious cheating, then it’s a good rule. If a rule keeps a 16 year old girl from getting her permit because her Mom gave her a thumbs up, then it’s a dumb rule and it should be broken. Not to mention the fact that for whatever reason they had the girl directly facing her mother. So they basically set this poor girl up for failure. What could possibly go wrong?

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21 Comment(s)
  • Nope, no thanks
    September 1, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    I actually know someone who failed the permit test because he heard it was easy and he didn’t need to study, haha. This was probably about 6 or 7 years ago.

    • Nope, no thanks
      September 1, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      And yes, I agree this is ridiculous and part of the problem with things like “zero-tolerance” policies.

      But why was the mom looking at her daughter? She should have just sat down out of view and let her kid take the test. If her daughter has a diagnosed disability that might impact her ability to take the test, she should have asked for an accommodation.

      I’m sure the poor girl will bounce back from this and be just fine.

      The Leominster RMV is a breeze.

  • Strata
    August 30, 2015 at 7:35 am

    Who was the RMV employee that did this? I’m sure her friends and family would support her decision (sarcasm).

    Reason #54,970 why people hate the RMV

  • Steven Stover
    August 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    I know for a fact that the RMV monitors look away when illegal immigrants take the test.

  • Finnish Goalie
    August 29, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    I remember the test in the Worcester DMV being in some small little side room with a number of computers. Was dumbfounded at how simple it was.

    Rough break for the girl. Perhaps it’ll kindle a life of despising bureaucracy?

  • A Guy
    August 29, 2015 at 10:10 am

    Even a smile or a frown is a sign of communication. I guess they need to provide paper bags to put over the parents’ heads so the child can’t see their face. No smiley faces drawn on the bags either.

  • M.Anna
    August 29, 2015 at 9:58 am

    And this is why aliens won’t visit us…..

  • anon
    August 29, 2015 at 8:44 am

    The mystery of why DMV workers are dicks was solved. By science.

    They are extremely low status peons doing a job that provides no value to society and everyone knows it. Their revenge is they get to mess with you.

  • george
    August 29, 2015 at 7:35 am

    Isn’t it the dmv? Wtf is the rmv

    • No fur coat, all trousers
      August 29, 2015 at 9:37 am

      In Massachusetts we have the Registry of Motor Vehicles (RMV). It is actually a very wonderful place if one knows how to properly work the system. In and out in 15 minutes; ten of which are sjooting the shitt and then 5 to get your business done.

      • george
        August 29, 2015 at 10:08 am

        That’s what I thought, I’m from mass but live in ct now and when I said rmv people looked at me weird

  • The Philistine
    August 29, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Well, there isn’t any stress free way to drive on the highway. If a test which asks you if weed is bad to smoke before driving is stressing her out, I don’t feel like being at a stop sign or rotary with her following me.

    • Finnish Goalie
      August 29, 2015 at 12:09 pm

      Rotaries are the bane of any most commuter’s existence.

    • Jill
      August 29, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      You are digging way to deep on that one. Quite a stretch. Ever hear of “test anxiety”? Some brilliant minds have that.

      • The Philistine
        August 30, 2015 at 5:04 am

        What? We getting defensive? Get rear ended by someone that melts into a puddle afterwards, is useless at the scene, then get back to me.

        • Jill
          August 31, 2015 at 12:25 pm

          I have been driving for 21 years and HAVE had the pleasure–thank you. I am more concerned with the drivers that can’t speak or read English yet have a driver’s license. I am more worried about THOSE people than some girl whose mother gave her a thumbs up. I would rather deal with someone that may or may not have had some test anxiety than someone that can’t understand the rules of the road.

  • Katie
    August 29, 2015 at 6:58 am

    “This is such a female response” What happened to the feminist turtle boy?

    And if they want to prevent cheating let’s put up an actual wall and not a glass wall. That way there will be no gestures seen and no accusations of cheating.

  • Jill
    August 29, 2015 at 6:24 am

    What a gross misuse of authority. A thumbs up? Are you kidding me? A “thumbs up” in almost ALL CULTURES is a sign of good luck. If the mother was in the room with her kid and was actually signing to her then that would be a problem. She was not in the same room, she could not see the question, and was showing support to her child. Maybe mom saw a little stress on her face and just wanted to send some positive reinforcement her way. There is a fine line here and I think the DMV screwed up on this one. But, it wouldn’t be the DMV if they didn’t stick it to someone. I think it’s cause she is white. I call racism. 😉 #16yearoldpermitseekerslivesmatter

    • JayC
      August 29, 2015 at 7:52 am

      “What a gross misuse of authority”

      You know that old saying, “Discretion is the better part of valor.” Part of being in a position of authority is actually having skills to analyze a situation and recognize that giving a thumbs up doesn’t violate the spirit the no communication rule. It’s about as harmful to the testing process and violates the rule as much as other non-verbal expressions of support like smiling or winking. That is to say, it doesn’t at all!

      But, what do you expect from some political hack working at the RMV. Expecting them to think outside of their ability and pay grade is probably a bit much I suppose.

      • Jill
        August 29, 2015 at 4:16 pm

        You are so right.

  • Ct
    August 29, 2015 at 5:49 am

    If RMV feels that communicating during the test is such a problem, perhaps having a glass window as the divider between the waiting area and the testing area isn’t the best idea. Maybe covering the windows with $20 worth of driver safety poster would be a wise investment or, if that simply isn’t in the budget, how about turning the tester to face away from the window.

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