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Here’s an interesting story out of the lovely city of Fall River:
Cidalia Vitorino made good on her promise to try to ensure that what happened to her son during a winter concert at Spencer Borden Elementary School last December doesn’t happen to any other Fall River Public Schools student who has a disability. She brought the matter to the attention of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights.
Officials from OCR’s Region 1 office in Boston wrote to Vitorino last week, saying in a letter dated May 25 that “based on the information you provided in your complaint and supporting documentation, and in a telephone interview with OCR staff … OCR has determined that the allegation is appropriate for investigation.”
During Spencer Borden’s winter concert last December, Vitorino’s son, Camron Silva, was singing with his fifth-grade classmates. However, he was not on stage with his fellow vocalists. Instead, he sang from the floor of the school’s cafeteria/auditorium, in front of the stage and nowhere near his classmates. Silva is unable to walk and needs a motorized wheelchair to move around. But getting him on stage should not have been a problem, as the stage is wheelchair-accessible, Vitorino said.
“My issue is, it shouldn’t have happened to him, or any other student,” she said. “The only reason he wasn’t on stage was because of the wheelchair.”
Vitorino added that it’s a matter which should have been corrected between songs.
But “none of the adults corrected it. And they’re basically showing students it’s OK to do that. It wasn’t a big deal to leave him off the stage. … You’re teaching kids it’s OK to discriminate.
“I think that’s what’s important to me,” Vitorino said.
In the OCR letter, officials described the process to follow: “During the investigation, OCR is a neutral fact-finder, collecting and analyzing relevant evidence from the complainant, the recipient, and other sources, as appropriate.”
The letter also notes that even though the complaint is now under investigation, that “in no way implies that OCR has made a determination with regard to their merits.”
“They’ll come, take a look and see, ask questions, see why that happened,” Vitorino said. “I hope they can get some information, interviews, that way it can be addressed on a more public platform. I hope it will help other students.”
Alright, so first of all, Turtleboy has all the respect in the world for mothers of handicapped children such as this woman. Their jobs are tremendously harder than most parents, and the sacrifices they make elevate them in our book 110%. Accommodations should obviously be made whenever possible to ensure that handicapped kids like this have access to things that they are entitled by law to receive. If a ramp was there then this kid should have been put on stage so he wasn’t cast off to the side like this. The picture is sad, and the school owed everyone the apology that they delivered. If I was this kid’s parent, I’d be saddened and pissed off about it too.
With that being said, it seems like this could have probably been handled differently by Mom. The school issued an apology, and I’m sure they didn’t have any ill will when they did this. From what other parents tell us who were there, the principal was just trying to get one class in after another as quickly as possible. It doesn’t make it right, but mistakes happen and all you can do is apologize for it.
Instead Mom is doing this:
The whole thing lasted a few minutes and now it’s LITERALLY a federal case. Even the Huffington Post shit on the school. The federal government of the United States of America is investigating a school in Fall River because of a five minute song at a Christmas concert. Maybe, just MAYBE, this could’ve been used as a teachable moment. The kid was wronged, no doubt about it. But instead of training him to be a victim, couldn’t Mom have just, I dunno, told him that he was down in front because he was the star vocalist? Isn’t the lead singer usually in a different spot than the rest of the chorus? That’s what I would’ve done.
And here’s another thing – Mom has a past history of shitting on teachers:
See, that’s a red flag right there. First of all, you’re living in Fall River. You’re gonna have kids who come from messed up homes. And since teachers and guidance counselors are mandated reporters, it’s their job to play it safe by getting DSS involved whenever they think something might be up. Would you prefer they just ignore warning signs because it might offend some loud mouthed parent on Facebook? Do we not have enough kids getting molested, beaten, and neglected in America? Sorry, but your feelings don’t matter when it comes to child safety.
Secondly, she’s shitting on the guidance counselor for being alone in the room with a kid? Ummmm, what planet is she living on where a guidance counselor can’t be alone in the room with a kid? I thought that was the whole point of a guidance counselor – to give individual guidance to kids. What was the counselor doing with that kid? Probably providing counsel. Because that’s what she or he is paid to do. And yes, the fact that he or she is a guidance DOES mean that they should be trusted with kids. Because to get that job it means they’ve undergone an intense series of background checks, including CORI and fingerprinting. If you don’t like that, then you are free to home school your kids.
It’s stuff like this that leads me to believe that Mom likes to make a mountain out of a molehill. Always quick to jump on teachers and principals instead of working with them to resolve situations. And now she’s got all the other Moms fired up:
You told your kid not to speak with the guidance counselor without Mom or Dad present? Yea, that seems like a normal thing to do.
Plus, if you check out her Facebook page it’s just a never ending sea of complaints about everything:
And every once in a while she sprinkles in a story about how great of a person she is for helping the homeless:
I don’t trust anyone who goes out of their way to tell the world about the great things they did for a homeless guy. It’s like she did it so she could tell the whole world about how she did it.
Anyway, this woman is clearly a better Mom than 90% of Moms out there. She cares about her kid and fights for him, which is what we need more of in society. But what we need less of is teaching our kids to always be offended, and to literally make a federal case out of something that can best be resolved when cooler heads prevail. Just sayin.
P.S. There’s a school in Fall River called Spencer Borden? Ya know your city has some problems when the most famous family was hacked to death by one of the daughters.
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83 Comment(s)
This article is offensive on so many levels. First, discrimination against handicapped individuals should be addressed at a higher level. After all, an apology after the fact does not prevent this issue from happening again to another student. Second, the statement that parents should blindly trust guidance counsellors is ridiculous. So, basically, you are saying that if a person is a guidance counsellor they have no criminal tendencies or proclivities? I guess you’ve missed all of the reports of, and criminal charges brought against, teachers for having sexual relationships with students. Enjoy making fun of a parent who is attempting to protect her child. Your article states that she is trying to make her child a victim, when all she wanted was to prevent her child from being one, by making the school system treat her child just like any other student.
Put the kid on the stage. It’s not like landing on the moon. Imbeciles with degrees, one would think somebody had a brain in the bunch.
Just another example of the complete morons we have running our schools.
thats a violation of the boys Civil Rights and a formal complaint should be filed with the DOJ OCR.
Now I see the correct agency had been notified.
And Tutleshell is pointing the finger at the mom instead of just leaving it that the school was out of line here and had the ramp there to bring the boy up onto the stage with the rest of the kids….its outragous and I would have done the same as this mom did. I filed a complaint against the South Hadley High School Superintendent when they gave a young lady her diploma away from and not on a dias as they gave all other students, and the school then changed its policy of holding gaduations in a fully Accessible setting/location…This was very clearly a culture of hate as their reasoning was so weak and lame …
“From what other parents tell us who were there, the principal was just trying to get one class in after another as quickly as possible. It doesn’t make it right, but mistakes happen and all you can do is apologize for it”
So they seperate a child from the rest of the other fellow vocalists…..sorry people, thats clear hate! And Turtleshell needs to keep his slanted opinion to himself instead of blaming the parent for getting upset and filing the complaint because it very well would have happened again if another child used a wheelchair and they wanted to “save time” to get classes up onto the stage in such a fucking hurry!
Whew, can’t believe I made it through all the comments. I think I’m just going to keep my mouth shut about this one.
If you think this is great you need to head on over to that tow company Zambrano article.
Hahaha!
Way to deflect. You really are pathetic.
ZzzzzzZzzzzZzzz… On to other important things.
Fall River just a translation of the Native American name for this territory ‘Chupleksti. The Indians called it ‘Place where drug addicts who have sick baby squat on rock then fall in river’.
wtf who wrote this article because you might just get sued how can you say and i quote ” First of all, you’re living in Fall River. You’re gonna have kids who come from messed up homes.” are u kidding me?? im from fall river and live here and im offended u say that shit. who are u to make a WHOLE slam page on a person you dont even know, u dont even know fall river either. messed up homes … thats a red flag there fuck face and this whole page is harresment !!! your probadly gonna be taken to court for emotional distress and showing personal information like people fulls names not just the mother but u can see her friends comments too and thier names , ur pretty much fucked… so all the time u put into this slander slam page article you will be fined and placed in jail . enjoy ur cell mates
Oh sweet Jesus. This usually happens on FB. Rare to see your kind on the actual website.
Shut up.
Look at you just begging for attention. At first you seemed normal now you just come off as a butt hurt troll. I bet you are the mom from the article. By the looks of the time stamps you have been here for 3 hours already. Get a life.
Oh, and I bet the folks here would be very interested to know the real reason you bad-mouth Hector Pinero. His son dumped your ass for a younger, prettier model and now you’re out for revenge! Pathetic.
Hi Greg, it’s me, your wife. Can you take out the trash??
Oh I’m sorry BobnMic, I didn’t mean to use your real name on here!
Only if you promise to give me a blow job afterwards.
Hmmm maybe I should use a selfie as a profile picture on here, what do you think??? Should we choose our wedding photo or the zoo one?? Or what about that cute picture with our feet in the sand? I love that memory!!!
Let me explain to you what “maturity” is my friend. It’s when you go on an internet chat/blog on a Sunday night. Nothing and I mean NOTHING screams maturity like the Turtleboy blog. Well that and my action figure collection.
I’m confused – are you satirising me or trying to be me? Either way, hard fail.
You can dance if you want to, you can leave your friends behind. Cuz your friends don’t dance and if they don’t dance well they’re no friends of mine…
I had to Google those lyrics they are so old… The world has moved on dear friend, you should try it too. It’s called “maturity”… The idea probably even has a Wikipedia page.
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It’s an obvious case of ‘mom guilt’. She knows what she did wrong while she was pregnant to harm her fetus and now she’s trying to prove how great of a mom she is.
Why not just home school the little burden and once a year let him sing with a karaoke machine?
Stop trying to troll, no one is biting.
These schools and its town’s taxpayers spend hundreds of thousands on complying with ADA guidelines. It would have been nice to these upgrades actually used. They are in place for this exact reason. Whoever managed this concert failed this student. This kid’s Mom has to work twice as hard everyday just to get her to zero (by zero I mean equal to “normal” kids, that’s all). If you worked this hard everyday, you’d be pissed too.
Amazing how I come here to read a new article posted and without even typing a word my name is brought up by some Mom who I have never even addressed on here before. Wow, I guess I am better at pissing people off than I could have ever dreamed of or imagined in my “x-rated” brain. If you feel the things I say are x-rated, your life must be quite the exciting one.
Now on to the article, I believe this was written in good taste. I find it odd that you are so offended, “mom” because TB did not 100% agree with every single solitary word you write. I’m sorry, let me introduce you to the real world where people have a difference of opinion, and you need to learn how to accept that. Just because the topic at hand is a very sensitive one, does not mean everyone who disagrees with the way the situation was handled needs to walk on eggshells. Here is what confuses me, and please tell me why this always happens… A parent of a special needs child puts great effort into attempting to make the world accepting of who their child is, and wants them to fit in with the crowd. Boy, oh boy, do I accept that and respect it. YET………there is a YET…… You are so quick to tell your child they are different and point out injustice. Well, simply because you stated yourself you didn’t want to sugarcoat anything, yet you expect others to sugarcoat when it involves your own child. Another thing is you came here for sympathy whether you admit that or not.
There are MANY parents who have special needs children and they don’t expect the world to pat them on the back for doing the job EVERY parent has, loving and raising their kids. You don’t get a special treat or bonus because your child is special needs. Of course, people appreciate parents of special needs children because raising them is more difficult, however, you expected the special treatment you so wish your child doesn’t have to endure because you want him/her to be treated like a child without a disability. Yet by acting the way you did all you do is remind them that they have a helicopter parent who won’t allow them to defend themselves or, at the very least, allow them to become strong and confident enough to have a thick skin and learn how to live life WITHOUT you. Keep sheltering your children and when you’re gone, life will be difficult. Teach them to stand up for themselves and not play victim, and that ensures a life of not only independence, but the ability to handle situations that may exclude them sometimes.
Then you want to say things like “Trying to raise awareness is not the same as seeking out attention or sympathy…” Um, you’re right. However, you are not trying to raise awareness. You are here arguing because TB doesn’t hold your hand and walk through flower gardens with you. Then, you call people knuckle draggers here BEFORE anyone even commented. Then…….you expect everyone to be gentle, soft, and kind. Not the way the world works!
If you want to raise awareness, try doing so by starting some type of group or page and bring awareness to the injustice you have experienced. Bring awareness by fighting for change and perhaps using your brain to figure out how things can be different for special needs children. That is bringing awareness. Not coming here and insulting people who disagree with how you handle situations. What’s your reasoning? You going to convince people that this entire school is against your child and doesn’t care? Come on already.
Special needs children are amazing and stronger than you think. When you shelter them, you’re actually making things worse because you are treating them differently because you think they can’t handle it. It seems to me you’re more hurt than your child was. These actions are happening because YOU feel sad that something like this happened. Seems selfish to me. Why not ask your child how he/she felt before going off the deep end? Oh, that’s right… You’re only seeking “awareness.” Raise them to be tough, not like mom…hurt and angry.
You’re making a lot of assumptions about me and how I dealt with my child. Where in my comments do you get the idea I told my child he was different and pointed out injustice? Quite the opposite, in fact.
Sorry if my lack of vulgar language made it hard for you to comprehend my comments.
That’s all you have? Seems to me you’re the one who doesn’t know how to comment toward a thoughtful, and quite respectful response from the person (me) you so dislike and accuse of being unintelligent.
Woah… Quite the conundrum my dear. Notice how I haven’t attacked you with low jabs? Maybe you can learn something from me. Sometimes vulgarity is needed, and sometimes in these cases they are not. I chose to be polite, but thorough. Sad that you can’t put what I have written here for fun aside and truly see my point if view.
P.S. Let’s not assume people here don’t deel with special needs children or have one of their own….. Makes you seem kind of crazy and stuck in your own little world. I won’t get into my experience simply because I’m not looking for a biscuit and a high five from strangers.
You take care. I won’t respond anymore because you’re too emotional for me. I can’t hold a conversation with someone who let’s the Internet get the best of them.
*lets
Yeah, you’re a lawyer. Suuuure you are.
*deal
Suuuuure you’re a lawyer.
You are looking pathetic now by reaching for typing errors. Grow a pair and go cry somewhere else.
Deal*
and *** to anything else my phone auto corrects for me.
Yeah, because “deel” is an actual word. You’re a clown..
Funny how we seem to have grabbed so much of your attention… The BOTH of you… Not to CONFLATE you guys or anything… And yet… Until this article…. And the two of you coming on and looking for a pat on the back… We, Fiesty or I, had no idea that the two of you existed…
Ok, I was going to just be done with this conversation but because I don’t want to do a disservice to the parents who are currently dealing with school systems I will chime in one last time.
My son graduated from high school a few years ago so I am done, done done with dealing with the schools. I’ve never been more relieved to be done with anything or anyone as much as that. He is now a fully functioning college student who has some supports if he needs them but doesn’t really seem to need them. I believe that is a result of some really great interventions that I fought tooth and nail to get him when he was younger. But it was brutal sometimes and I made a lot of enemies when I challenged certain staff members who I felt weren’t doing their jobs.
Whatever, I’m not looking for a pat on the back. You have no idea who I am and vice versa so why would I care what you think of me? I don’t. But I know that parents are still having to battle with the schools for needed services for their kids. And SPED parents are often pitted against each other for those precious SPED dollars. I see it as an investment. If the schools invest in those services when the kids are young, it will pay off in the long run.
So people should be more understanding of SPED kids and their families. It’s hard enough to deal with the challenges of special needs without then having to deal with the insensitivity and exclusion that many of us experience along the way.
I’m done.
Let me guess, your son inherited your mental illness?
Wow, you’re a bitch.
Well aren’t you feeling self important.
Hey Perfesser, you replied to my comment… Never heard of you before either. Of course given the idiotic level of your discourse, it’s no surprise… I tend to jump past the stupid sounding ones.
Lots of people get cancer too but we don’t all turn to anonymous blogs to garner sympathy. Just sayin’.
Oh, that was directed to you, Feisty. I’m sorry you have no friends in real life.
But, Hey, I’m sure BobnMic will take you back if you beg hard enough.
Downvoted by ProfessorM. Feisty and Bob
Almost always like your comments on the blogs, but you are way off base here. Some parents get their kids labeled special needs just so the schools will take them of their hands for a few more hours a day. They’re lowlifes.
But then there are kids that are truly disadvantaged with physical or mental handicaps. You clearly don’t have an inkling of what it is really like to have a special needs child that you know will need to be cared for the rest of their lives. Having a kid changes (for good parents) your life. Having a special needs kid changes YOU (the parent) for the rest of your life. Your assumptions about (good) parents’ motivations couldn’t be further from the truth. Again, not only do you not know what you are talking about, you don’t even know what you don’t know. And saying you have a friend or relative that has a special needs child gives you insight, again I say you still have no clue. Try walking a mile in my shoes before you lecture those of us who live with this literally every minute of every day for the rest of our lives.
Are you replying to me? I’m confused because I didn’t say any of those things. It may have come off that way but that was not the intention.
This is a subject that is way too sensitive for so many people. There isn’t really a right way to say something without it being taken out of context.
So, I’m staying far away from here.
There is a right way to say things if you know what you’re talking about which you clearly don’t.
WHAAAA! The school treated my kid like he’s different. Well yeah lady that’s because he is. Look on the bright side mom, they could have just pushed him into a broom closet and then let him out when the concert was over. Just because you were riding the white lightning while you were pregnant doesn’t mean that the rest of the normal parents should have to suffer.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present a knuckle-dragger? Probably a troll sent by Carlo B. or Clive.
Better than your mom riding my big dick huh?
I don’t understand why the State goes balls deep for transgender bathrooms but disabled kids get nothing. There should be schools specifically for these kids. It’s not their fault that while mom was pregnant she was smoking crack and guzzling a fifth of Jack Daniels.
Who wants to attend that shitty concert anyways? If you want to make the kid a show stopper mount a 10 h.p. Briggs and Stratton motor to his wheel chair, set up some ramps and have him try to jump the entire stage. Just because a kid is in a wheelchair it doesn’t mean he can’t do fun and cool things too!
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In addiction to a police officer, you couldn’t pay me enough to be a teacher these days. Fuck that.
Agreed. I know plenty of teachers and they are all miserable.
Did I really just read that the answer is to lie to your Special Needs child?!? Talk about idiotic… One of the biggest challenges any special needs parent is going to face is fighting the *constant* discrimination their child will face, be it from future employers, members of the public or even other family members trying to take advantage of them…
So the brilliant TBS answer when they are obviously being discriminated against (and it doesn’t matter how small the slight) is to lie to their face, and in essence teach them to “not play the victim”, which really means they won’t know when they have been victimized…
Brilliant advice…
I had to be very creative when trying to explain to my kid why he never got invited birthday parties, etc. It can be exhausting.
As a fellow parent of a severely special needs child, I understand “softening the blow”.. But what TBS is suggesting is that this mother is indoctrinating her special needs child into “victim culture”, a concept TBS rails constantly against. What TBS fails to grasp is that the special needs population is actually in real danger of being constantly victimized… Lying and “pretending it didn’t happen” certainly does not help the child, and in fact is immensely dangerous to the child… Not that many around here could even remotely grasp the difficulty of raising children with such issues.
There are a lot of knuckle-draggers here but also quite a few fairly thoughtful people.
Wow, those are really big words, I’m so impressed. And yet, I still would not tell my child if the situation occurred that he was a victim, or any less than any other child. That’s the difference between us. YES, I would lie to spare my child’s feelings. And the fact that you wouldn’t, I think has more to do with what you want for YOU, than what you want for THEM. Personal opinion, funny how those work. God luck at your Mensa meeting, by the way 🙂
Who are you replying to? I think it’s time for you to cork that wine bottle and take a nap.
I was replying down but it went here instead, I don’t drink at all, but, this argument has grown old, and I’m positive you need to get back to your Facebook so you can post your “I’m the mom of a special needs child” meme’s 🙂 Have a wonderful night!!
Just to let you know, I’ve posted maybe 3 times on FB about having a special needs child and it was always to praise him for overcoming obstacles. He’s now a college student and is one of the best people I know. He got there because of the hard work his parents and extended family put in to get him there. I wish the same for your child.
Just so you know, just so you know is the way you start a conversation with someone who gives a fuck what you have to say, which I don’t, just so you know 😉
Do you know why I don’t post about my special needs child on turtleboy, pure? Because I’m not here looking for attention or sympathy. 😉
Trying to raise awareness is not the same as seeking out attention or sympathy, I thought you were smarter than this.
You should stick with posting x-rated crap with Feisty.
Typical straw man argument.. I gave no details about myself or my child, yet you bypass my argument by attacking my supposed “need for attention”? Get some reading comprehension and basic understanding of a logical argument before spewing such garbage… I guess this is fairly typical for the knuckle draggers tho, huh?
Assuming that no one else has issues in their family and calling people knuckle drag hers for not agreeing with your opinion? That’s WAY smart 🙂
Maybe I should “get some reading comprehension” from my fellow college teachers? I know, it’s wrong of me to find it insulting that you insinuated that no one else knows what it is like to have a special needs child…. And for the record, nothing I have EVER posted was xrated…. So apparantly it’s not me that needs reading comprehension! BWAHAHAHA
“My fellow college teachers”… Now who’s looking for attention? See that’s the great thing about the Internet… You can finally claim to be everything you are not. Well maybe you guys can have a debate with me and all my fellow Nobel Laureates? We can host it down at my Mensa club!
The very fact that you conflated two different authors comments tells me the general level I’m dealing with… And let me guess, you can never back down nor admit you might have been wrong… “College teacher” (colloquially known as a ‘professor’, right?) indeed…
Haha, I had a similar reaction to the “fellow college teachers” comment. And I’m a rocket scientist in addition to a best-selling novelist.
Try going down to the Seven Hills legal advocacy department sometime and talking with them about victimization. Try opening your eyes and see how taken advantage of some of this population can be, and try understanding that self advocacy begins with understanding what you as a human being deserve.
TBS is handing out some dangerous information… Just lie and cover it all up, and here you stand blindly defending it. It’s an ignorant position and one that could lead to true victimization, but you would rather keep up with the inane ad hominem attacks… Try to be a little serious and humane, perfesser…
How timely.
Have you seen the heart-breaking photo of the young autistic girl who celebrated her birthday alone because none of the kids she invited to her party showed up? That’s the reality for a lot of families. Have you no compassion?
I’m guessing not.
And I also have to add that these school push us parents to our limits. We swallow a lot of shit before we finally lose it and then people thinks we’re nuts because we get so pissed. Believe me, Turtleboy, most parents try VERY hard to work with the schools.
Funny thing is that there was suppose to be a clasd on the side of him but half of the students didnt show up. Therefore thats why there is an empty riser on the side of him.
I think when you take a snapshot in time of comments made it may not show the history in context, which typically for parents of special needs students involves extreme mistrust of the school district. Mistrust the district earned.
I was all for giving school a pass until mom advised she approached principal during performance. The principal could have addressed it immediately, but inaction damned her. This story clearly goes much deeper.
I wish this was a rare occurrence too, but it happens too frequently. OCR’s entire purpose is to investigate situations such as this. The district will soon get a federal reprimand they won’t soon forget, but fast forward 5 years, new principal, new student with disability. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Welcome to the world of special needs parenting. Not for the thin skinned or weak of stomach that is for certain.
Well said. It’s so easy for others to judge us because they have no fucking idea what we deal with on a daily basis. And my experience has taught me that school “counselors” are people who didn’t have the wherewithal to make it in private practice. So they go to work for the schools. I was in a team meeting once and the school counselor took issue with me when I suggested that my kid’s Ed plan was insufficient. So I asked her, “Have you even read his file?” She hadn’t.
In another team meeting at a different school, I was lamenting how our family couldn’t afford to supplement the services offered by the school, which were basically nothing. The SPED Director had the audacity to ask me why I didn’t have a full-time job.
I could go on. Like when there was a picture of one of the staff making a goofy face and someone decided it would be funny to suggest she needed SPED services and then hang it on the staff bulletin board. HILARIOUS!
Oh, a bulletin board that was viewable by anyone in the hallway right outside the principal’s office, the nurse’s office, the copy machine and the teachers’ mailboxes.
People should be concerned for their kids… They should never put their kids in danger… They should always remember where they are when they are posting online, and what they are giving away. And they should remember when they clean out their Facebook pages of incriminating things… They should probably make their families do the same… Because otherwise…. What a wealth of information!