Social Justice Warriors

If You Really Believe In Free Speech And But Think That Flag Burning Should Be Banned Then You Don’t Really Believe In Free Speech


Over the weekend President Trump tweeted that he wanted congress to amend the constitution in order to ban burning the American flag.

“No brainer.”

I voted for Trump in 2016, and I’m going to vote for him again in 2020. With that said, this is just stupid. I would never burn the American flag because I’m not an asshole. But burning the American flag is free speech. It’s offensive to many, but this blog exists to fight for the right of people to say things that might offend other people.

Meanwhile, we’re out here fighting a way to get tech companies to stop censoring people like Turtleboy who think independently and use “offensive” language to call people out for their shitty behavior. Trump has our back in that fight, and then he goes and tweets this which completely undermines everything we’ve been fighting for. You can’t pretend you care about free speech if the only speech you’re interested in protecting is speech that doesn’t offend you. The only type of speech that should be banned is speech that directly calls for other people to murder or physically harm another human being. You can burn a flag, you just can’t burn someone else’s flag, or burn a flag and use it to burn someone else’s house down.

I really hate flag Nazis, and talked about it on the Live show last night. It’s faux patriotism to worship the American flag. I love this country because I’ve studied its history. It’s the greatest country that has ever existed. It formed around the idea of individual rights, not blind worship to central government. It was the guiding force in ridding the world of Nazism and Communism. It’s responsible for technological and medical advances that have made our lives more prosperous, convenient, and longer. I worship those values, not a flag.

The people who freak out about the flag the most don’t know shit about our country’s rich history. They just get off on being what they believe is patriotic by going around and looking for people who don’t worship the flag in the same way they do.

That’s why I really didn’t give a shit about NFL players kneeling a couple years back. I wanted them to stand because I disagreed with the reason they were protesting and wanted them to lose. They were misguided and stupid, and they couldn’t understand the concept that while you’re at work you don’t get to do everything you want to do, especially if it costs the company money.

But I just couldn’t be bothered to give a shit. During Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals while the National Anthem was being sung I looked around the bar and noticed not a single person was standing or paying any amount of reverence to the song. Why not? I thought it was this sacred thing we all had to worship? Does it only have meaning if you’re actually in the building where it’s being sung? See how stupid that sounds?

Luckily most conservatives I’m seeing on Twitter get this, which gives me hope that the right truly believes in free speech. Unfortunately not all are on board…..

Liquidating your assets and getting kicked out of the country because you burned a piece of cloth. Seems totally reasonable and not authoritarian at all. Candace Owens is really good sometimes, but she’s also like 29, has no worldly experience, and always blindly says that whatever Trump is doing is great. This is why it’s hard to take her that seriously. Don’t get me wrong, she’s entertaining and roasts a lot of people I hate. But at this point she’s basically the black Sarah Huckabee Sanders. She’s also completely ignorant of history:

People who routinely bring up “You can’t yell fire in a movie theater” as a reason to limit speech should be laughed at and mocked relentlessly. I see this all the time, and it’s just a huge lie. You can yell fire in a movie theater. I know this because the SCOTUS decision she’s referencing is Schenk vs. United States, and the guy she’s quoting is Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. Some radical was handing out anti-war pamphlets during World War 1 and Congress passed a law saying he couldn’t do that. He challenged it to the Supreme Court and lost. However, in 1969 Brandenburg vs. Ohio overruled this decision and made it clear that even douchebags like the KKK could say the most offensive things possible. So people who still quote Holmes have no clue what they’re talking about, don’t really have any principals, and shouldn’t be looked to as leaders of any movements.


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49 Comment(s)
  • John R
    June 21, 2019 at 1:06 am

    I’ll agree with flag burning as free speech as long as I’m able to burn a gay pride flag and not be charged with a hate crime and also burn a koran and not be murdered

  • Greg
    June 18, 2019 at 11:37 am

    If you declare that voting for Trump in 2020, you lose all credibility.

  • Pericles
    June 18, 2019 at 7:47 am

    We can do what the so called social justice crowd would do, find out where the flag burners work and then organize a boycott of those places and hound the living shit out of them. But of course most of us have to work… As stated previously burning an American flag is just a piece of cloth, so remember that when I burn a Black Live Matter flag. Or better yet, wipe my ass with a few pages from the Quran…

  • ncfoothillbilly
    June 17, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    Candace Owens is a cunt cashing in on the Conservatives. She supposedly started a doxxing website before she ‘turned Conservative’. Never put your faith in ANY person.

  • whatevuh
    June 17, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    You can burn an American Flag, and not suffer any blow-back, but burn a Pride Flag, and your ass will be in jail . . . think about that for a minute

    • Greg
      June 18, 2019 at 11:38 am

      I thought about it for a minute and came to the conclusion that you don’t know what the f—k you’re talking about.

  • Anti Fag
    June 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    I fully support fag burning, and I think that…

    Oh, FLAG burning. Never mind.

    • Greg
      You’re a closet case
      June 18, 2019 at 12:11 pm

      Just go find a big dick to suck already. The repressed desire is clearly what’s motivating you.

    • Wwy
      June 18, 2019 at 5:22 pm

      Jew burning is better.

  • liar liar wordpress on fire
    June 17, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    If you really believe panhandling and welfare culture is crap and but beg for money on your website to support Mean-Girl Journalism and juvenile bullying then you do believe in panhandling.

  • ..........
    June 17, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    Its a piece of fabric that has different meanings to different people.I have no issue with someone burning the flag, however if it were my relatives military funeral flag I would chop their head off lol.

  • Lincolntf
    June 17, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    There absolutely should not be a Governmental sanction of any kind for burning an American Flag. I’m a Veteran, I get the attachment to the Flag, sometimes it’s the only reminder you have of why and what you’re doing when you’re overseas. So, no Law against flag-burning is my official position. That said, burn a flag in front of me (not trying to be an Internet tough guy, I’ve been in analogous positions as a Vet watching an American Flag burned) and you will be confronted. In my view, Flag-burning is in the category of “Fighting Words”. First of all, it’s generally arson, they take other people’s flags to burn, second of all, you know you just pissed me off. I’ve been in a couple scrapes over words that the other guy had the Right to say, but really shouldn’t have. A lot of us have. If you’re burning an American Flag, you are declaring yourself my enemy, and you will be treated as one. No need for the Government to get involved.

  • John Wypyszinski
    Friends of Al
    June 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    Go ahead, burn the flag, but people might laugh at you if someone uses your face to beat out the flames. Exercise your rights all you like but don’t complain about the consequences that come your way, and doing things to provoke a reaction will pretty much make certain they won’t be pleasant.

  • Well, No Shit
    June 17, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    Flag burning is distasteful, to be sure, but we cannot simply ban everything that we find offensive. It isn’t supposed to work that way, and I find it truly concerning that we have elected officials who cannot see that clearly.

    • hartf811
      June 17, 2019 at 1:39 pm

      Others have defended that flag with their lives. Respect. Unfortunately if someone steps on your toe on the red line you seek JUSTICE without even knowing the meaning of the word. Millionaire Kneegrow assholes kneeling are simply no class fools. “Dance Monkey Dance”
      Burn your books, burn your bras, burn your house down and all that you hold dear. But the flag represents the collective hopes, dreams and inspirations of a nation. You don’t have the right to weaken the fabric of a nation given the sacrifices so many have made.

      • Well, No Shit
        June 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm

        While I understand your sentiment, you are not entirely correct.

        I served this country for over 20 years and during my service, deployed to two of the worst war-torn shitholes in recent history. I know of no one over there who was fighting for the flag. We went because our government needed us to go, and we fought for each other. More to the point, those who served swore an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Nowhere in that oath does it say anything about the flag, the government, the President, etc.

        The Oath specifically states the Constitution, and it does so for a reason; the Constitution is the foundation of our American way of life, and THAT is what we fight/fought for. Flags change, the government changes, but the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, rarely does.

  • Christopher Lettiere
    June 17, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    Candace “has no worldly experience”?
    Sorry, but I would disagree; she’s engaged to a Brit and spends a lot of time in Europe.
    Now, what she said in regards to the flag is ridiculous, and she deserves to be called out for it.
    1A is not to be infringed upon or else we’ll never know what morons think.

  • Wwy
    June 17, 2019 at 12:09 pm

    It was a good country then it got jewed,history tends to repeat itself.

  • Navy Vet, Nam Era
    June 17, 2019 at 11:48 am

    You can’t enact a law like this. In the USA you have the right to be an asshole, and too many people abuse this privilege. So let them keep doing it.

    • Well, No Shit
      June 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm

      Welcome home, and thank you.

  • eugene
    June 17, 2019 at 11:37 am

    The best way to burn more flags is to make it illegal.The Boy Scouts or should I say the Scouts burn the old and torn flags every year in my town but do it as part of a ceremony and

  • MrSmiley
    June 17, 2019 at 11:31 am

    Can’t preach freedom for social media and get angry when the antifux burn flags. Two way street. After the leftists ruin everything, the quiet ones will fix it. It won’t be easy but the real defenders of freedom will never let this country fall.

  • Well, look at you!
    June 17, 2019 at 11:31 am

    Did Margaret inform you of those legal precedents?

    Trying to come off as an educated citizen! That is just so INCREDIBLY RICH coming from you!

    Spending game 7 in the bar, instead of at home with the family (unless you had the “family” in the bar with you!), is just plain, pathetic? That speaks VOLUMES!!!

    • June 17, 2019 at 11:39 am

      Oh yeah, you’re right. As soon as you have a family, you abdicate all personal identity and free time. That’s the healthy way to do it! Thanks for the input. I’ll pass it along to the boss.

    • hank
      June 17, 2019 at 11:49 am

      “That speaks VOLUMES!!!” – this finisher right here makes me laugh knowing there’s a wacko out there furiously typing away then yelling out to their empty studio apartment ‘VOLUMES!’. Probably followed by a shuffle over the hot plate for some warmed up Fancy Feast.

  • bigdaddy
    June 17, 2019 at 11:15 am

    blind worship to central government. Isnt that the liberal mantra?

  • Merica Mother Fucjers
    June 17, 2019 at 11:03 am

    I find the burning of the flag extremely disrespectful. But it is a right we have. That being said I also like to see the people burning flags get their asses kicked.
    That’s my right too

    • z
      June 17, 2019 at 11:24 am

      Totally agree.
      You are a dipshit to burn a flag.
      You have a right to be a dipshit.
      People have the right to call you a dipshit.
      People have the right to wish bad things on dipshits.

      It’s good to know who dipshits are.

    • randiguy2006
      Cuz, freedom
      June 17, 2019 at 3:31 pm

      Wrong again Billy Bob

      You can’t assault someone because you don’t like their speech.

      Its not that complicated. Well, for most people.

      • Hee Haw
        June 18, 2019 at 12:32 am

        Read his post you stupid fuck
        Looks like Billy Bob is smarter that your ignorant ass

  • randiguy2006
    Commie Pinko Fag
    June 17, 2019 at 10:56 am

    I heat my house by burning the amerikan flag.

  • Navy Blue & Gold
    June 17, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Burn it all you want. It’s a free fucking country.

    You want to show your patriot bona fides? Don’t vote for or support politicians that treat the US military like their own private mercenary force.

  • Getting Real
    June 17, 2019 at 10:53 am

    Let me put it this way Turtle fucking boy. You greasy faced drunken asshat. You obsess with Freedom Of Speech. To the point where you make an asshole out of yourself and then ruin the very concept. Freedom of speech is not a license to be an asshole. But as you and the rest of the liberal fucknuts will do is to take advantage. Get all hell bent over something nobody really gives two shits about. And for you Brett Killoran who no doubt will come on here under an assummed name because you are too much of a pussy? Fuck you too bitch boi. How’s life up in Maine sucking off the welfare system and getting high all day. Fucking losers the two of you.

    • wedque
      June 17, 2019 at 11:24 am

      @GETTING REAL. Your father blew all of your friends.

      • Getting Real
        June 18, 2019 at 12:09 am

        Nice try Brett you fucking pussy. And your Mom did the whole neighborhood. Including the paperboy. I always wondered why he had that weird ass smile on his face when he delivered the Sunday paper. We just thought he was retarded.

      • Getting Real
        June 18, 2019 at 12:33 am

        You just made my point. Thank you bitch boi.

    • June 17, 2019 at 11:43 am

      You forgot me. Please, do me too! Most people just call me a fat stupid slut, but I’m hoping you can get more creative with it? Please?

      • Well, No Shit
        June 17, 2019 at 12:40 pm

        I’ll fight anyone who calls you that!

        Give me a name!

        • Getting Real
          June 18, 2019 at 12:21 am

          No quams with you Bristol. None what so ever. In fact I like your style. A lot actually. In fact I have no real problem with either TB or Brett. They do what they do. I just interjected a reality check to keep them honest. That’s all. And that’s it. And I’ll say it again. Fredoom of speech is not a license to be an asshole. One can excersize freedom of speech and be civil at the same time. It is doable. I may not be exibiting that notion at this time but normally I do.

          • Bret
            June 18, 2019 at 8:58 am

            I only post under my name shitdick, everyone knows that, soooooo, try again. But you feel the need to hide like the spineless cunt you are at your core….lmmfaooooo
            Funny how that works huh pussy? And kissing Brisols ass shows how big a cunt you are.
            Probably that fruitcup Tom Loring that was Manch’s little fuckpuppet.
            “Reality check”


            Please kid, do try to grow some balls instead of eating them.
            Fake named cockfarmer

    • Kevins 9 Iron
      June 17, 2019 at 11:52 am

      “Freedom of speech is not a license to be an asshole.

      That’s exactly what it is. Look at you, case in point.

  • ConFLAGration
    June 17, 2019 at 10:47 am

    I’m a conservative voter, but it’s always irked me when conservative politicians and pundits get all wrapped up in the silly flag-burning issue. A flag is essentially a multi-colored swath of cloth, and if somebody wants to burn it, then let them fire it up. Flag burners look like idiots anyway, so don’t restrict them – let them put their idiocy on full display.

    • Getting Real
      June 18, 2019 at 2:09 am

      Yeah ok there skippy. Ever think of using freedom of speech for something good or at least somewhat positive? Maybe turn some frowns upside down out there? Make a positive impact? Or does it always have to be negative with you. Debbie Downer on Steriods. Get over yourself. You are not the smartest person in the room like you want to believe. It just ain’t happen.’

      • Getting Real
        June 18, 2019 at 2:14 am

        The above was meant for Kevin9 whatever the fuck…

  • Brock Turner
    June 17, 2019 at 10:45 am

    Candice Owens needs to dip that face in a bucket of neutrogena ASAP

    • Getting Real
      June 18, 2019 at 2:11 am

      Meant for kevins 9 whatever.

  • hank
    June 17, 2019 at 10:42 am

    ” You cannot yell racial epithets at someone without consequence. ” This has been proven wrong time and again. It all depends on who’s doing the yelling.

  • Massholio
    June 17, 2019 at 10:36 am

    To dispose of a flag you are required to burn it. Then do you have to leave the country? LOL!

    • Mark Berry
      Georgia Madman
      June 17, 2019 at 2:14 pm

      Your IQ wouldn’t warm a room in the Winter.

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